Game 7, 2025: Buffalo (10/18)

[InnervisionsUMASS]

see my comment. Even if Buffalo had all 3 time outs with a minute to go; aren't they out of time outs on 4th down?????? You run the ball 4 times.

Nope, only 3 times. As soon as you run on 4th down and get down, assuming short of the 1st down, the clock stops for the turnover on downs. You certainly don't do that there in that field position.

[ZooMass84]

see my comment. Even if Buffalo had all 3 time outs with a minute to go; aren't they out of time outs on 4th down?????? You run the ball 4 times.

Nope, only 3 times. As soon as you run on 4th down and get down, assuming short of the 1st down, the clock stops for the turnover on downs. You certainly don't do that there in that field position.

the clock stops for the turnover on downs yes, of course. I only watch football on Saturdays and Sundays (Red Zone) and Mondays/Thursdays. But isn't time taken off the play clock as the team sets up for the next down??? when we intercepted the ball with 61 seconds to go; it's 1st and 10 and you snap the ball and run FOUR FUCKING TIMES. why in God's name would you throw and when its incomplete, the play clock STOPS. On a running play, the clock runs.

[InnervisionsUMASS]

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I'll let someone else chime in here.





Overall, much better game, but as is the UMass way: snatching defeat out of the jaws of victory. Brutal finish to what should have been a win. The march to 0-12 continues.

[ZooMass84]

see my comment. Even if Buffalo had all 3 time outs with a minute to go; aren't they out of time outs on 4th down?????? You run the ball 4 times.

Nope, only 3 times. As soon as you run on 4th down and get down, assuming short of the 1st down, the clock stops for the turnover on downs. You certainly don't do that there in that field position.

I guess I'm special needs: then what is Victory Formation???? Team A has the lead and the ball.......Team B is out of time outs and the OL and DL line up 2 times and shake hands and Team A wins.

[Floyd]

They needed recognize the situation they were in and should have been more aggressive from the beginning of that drive.

Yup

[Floyd]

see my comment. Even if Buffalo had all 3 time outs with a minute to go; aren't they out of time outs on 4th down?????? You run the ball 4 times.

Nope, only 3 times. As soon as you run on 4th down and get down, assuming short of the 1st down, the clock stops for the turnover on downs. You certainly don't do that there in that field position.

I guess I'm special needs: then what is Victory Formation???? Team A has the lead and the ball.......Team B is out of time outs and the OL and DL line up 2 times and shake hands and Team A wins.

1st down, we run. Timeout
2nd down run. Timeout
3rd down incomplete pass. Clock stops
4th down we punt because we're deep in our own end

Still was about 50 seconds left for them to drive & score

[InnervisionsUMASS]

see my comment. Even if Buffalo had all 3 time outs with a minute to go; aren't they out of time outs on 4th down?????? You run the ball 4 times.

Nope, only 3 times. As soon as you run on 4th down and get down, assuming short of the 1st down, the clock stops for the turnover on downs. You certainly don't do that there in that field position.

I guess I'm special needs: then what is Victory Formation???? Team A has the lead and the ball.......Team B is out of time outs and the OL and DL line up 2 times and shake hands and Team A wins.

First off, calm down... jesus man.


Here was the sequence - please remember Buffalo had 3 timeouts:

1st down - run - Buffalo timeout
2nd down - run - Buffalo timeout
3rd down - pass, incomplete - clock stopped
4th down - punt

IF 3rd down had been a run, as we all concur it should have been, the sequence would have been this:
1st down - run - Buffalo timeout
2nd down - run - Buffalo timeout
3rd down - run
- IF 1st down gain, Buffalo timeout, but then Victory Formation to end the game
- IF no 1st down gain, Buffalo timeout with roughly 45 seconds to go
4th down - punt
- IF you run it here on 4th and DO NOT gain the 1st down, the clock stops when the ball is down, which would have given Buffalo 30+ seconds with the ball somewhere within the 15 yard line.

[DougW]

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I'll let someone else chime in here.





Overall, much better game, but as is the UMass way: snatching defeat out of the jaws of victory. Brutal finish to what should have been a win. The march to 0-12 continues.

Definitely a much better game considering the players effort and enthusiasm, and even though it was boosted by Family Day and Band Day, it was nice to see a lively crowd of over 15k. I'm holding out hope for at least 1 win. The N. Illinois game looks like the beast chance of that.

[devildawg3010]

Absolutely brutal. The last minute of the game even made sports center last night.

[R&G]

As bad as the last minute was, the last 5 minutes or so was equally horrible clock management. They were repeatedly snapping the ball with more than 20 seconds remaining on the play clock. With the lead, they needed to shorten the game and they fucked it up beyond comprehension. Horrendous coaching when the players had earned the win.

[wmmmfan]

see my comment. Even if Buffalo had all 3 time outs with a minute to go; aren't they out of time outs on 4th down?????? You run the ball 4 times.

Nope, only 3 times. As soon as you run on 4th down and get down, assuming short of the 1st down, the clock stops for the turnover on downs. You certainly don't do that there in that field position.

the clock stops for the turnover on downs yes, of course. I only watch football on Saturdays and Sundays (Red Zone) and Mondays/Thursdays. But isn't time taken off the play clock as the team sets up for the next down??? when we intercepted the ball with 61 seconds to go; it's 1st and 10 and you snap the ball and run FOUR FUCKING TIMES. why in God's name would you throw and when its incomplete, the play clock STOPS. On a running play, the clock runs.

You run three times and punt and yes, you absolutely do not throw. If they ran 4 plays Buffalo would still have had time in the red zone.
Absolutely the worst play calling I’ve ever seen.

[Quann]

Nope, only 3 times. As soon as you run on 4th down and get down, assuming short of the 1st down, the clock stops for the turnover on downs. You certainly don't do that there in that field position.

I guess I'm special needs: then what is Victory Formation???? Team A has the lead and the ball.......Team B is out of time outs and the OL and DL line up 2 times and shake hands and Team A wins.

First off, calm down... jesus man.


Here was the sequence - please remember Buffalo had 3 timeouts:

1st down - run - Buffalo timeout
2nd down - run - Buffalo timeout
3rd down - pass, incomplete - clock stopped
4th down - punt

IF 3rd down had been a run, as we all concur it should have been, the sequence would have been this:
1st down - run - Buffalo timeout
2nd down - run - Buffalo timeout
3rd down - run
- IF 1st down gain, Buffalo timeout, but then Victory Formation to end the game
- IF no 1st down gain, Buffalo timeout with roughly 45 seconds to go
4th down - punt
- IF you run it here on 4th and DO NOT gain the 1st down, the clock stops when the ball is down, which would have given Buffalo 30+ seconds with the ball somewhere within the 15 yard line.

Haha, Zoo you are nuts. Like IV said the only thing running on 3rd down instead of throwing would be Buffalo burning that final timeout before we punted leaving them with zero instead of 1 timeout with the ball back. They still get the ball back with the same exact amount of time on the clock whether we run or pass on 3rd down. The only way we run out the clock is getting a first down at that point in the game. Do you understand now?

[Quann]

As bad as the last minute was, the last 5 minutes or so was equally horrible clock management. They were repeatedly snapping the ball with more than 20 seconds remaining on the play clock. With the lead, they needed to shorten the game and they fucked it up beyond comprehension. Horrendous coaching when the players had earned the win.

Yessir. One of the worst plays IMHO was that call for a play action pass on 3rd and 10 before we decided to kick a 54 yard field goal with about 5 mins left. Play action on a screen pass!! So dumb. You run the ball or go for the normal high percentage quick screen there and hope your guy can somehow get a first. If not, at least, you run another 40 seconds off the clock (then I would have punted to pin them deep not try 54 yard bomb with our helter skelter kicker). You don't do some low percentage play that gives Buffalo an extra 40 seconds. So many stupid head scratching coaching moves in this one.

[InnervisionsUMASS]

Haha, Zoo you are nuts. Like IV said the only thing running on 3rd down instead of throwing would be Buffalo burning that final timeout before we punted leaving them with zero instead of 1 timeout with the ball back. They still get the ball back with the same exact amount of time on the clock whether we run or pass on 3rd down. The only way we run out the clock is getting a first down at that point in the game. Do you understand now?

Thank you for confirming I had it right... I was beginning to think I had it wrong with how adamant Zoo was being.

[69MG]

But you run it to make them use their last time out. Then, when they get the ball back, if you make a tackle in bounds that is not a first down the clock continues to run. It limits their play calling.

Last comment, maybe for the season. I can't remember every horrible loss, but this is #2 for me after the Temple blocked PAT game. An unsportsmanlike penalty after the int to send us back toward our own goal line followed by the play calling. COACHING