MAC Teams - Present and Future

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MAC Teams - Present and Future

Post by Steve81 » Sat Mar 09, 2024 9:05 am

Wanted to give a shot out to Tony Barbee, who has Central Michigan as the 4th seed in the MAC Tournament.
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Central Michigan finishes with 18 regular season wins and a top-four seed in the MAC Tournament after losing Boopie Miller to Wake Forest.

One of the most improved teams in mid-major basketball.

Tony Barbee = MAC Coach of the Year.
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Post by fenway617 » Sat Mar 09, 2024 3:59 pm

Do only the top 8 teams in the conference make the conference tournament in the MAC?
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Post by Steve81 » Sat Mar 09, 2024 4:57 pm

Correct, just the top 8.

Adding pdf link to the women's brackets.
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Because it's A10T week, do not want to distract from the main focus, so piling on to this post.

Wendel: Welcome to the MAC, UMass hoops fans. Here’s what’s waiting
A primer to the basketball side of MACtion
Men: Meet the “Ohio Four”

Modern MAC men’s basketball is thought of by me as being led by the “Ohio Four” (name created by yours truly): Akron, Kent State, Ohio and Toledo. Two to four of these schools will be contenders yearly, and apart from Buffalo’s late-2010s run, one of them typically wins the conference tournament (at least one of the first three: Toledo hasn’t appeared since 1980!). This year, it’s the Zips leading the conference, followed by the Rockets and Bobcats in that order. The Golden Flashes are the odd team out, sitting in seventh.

Why are these four at the top, you might ask? Well, in addition to having the most resources invested in hoops, the “Ohio Four” have managed to hang on to their coaches, a blessing in the mid-major world. Toledo’s Tod Kowalczyk and Kent State’s Rob Senderoff are on seasons 14 and 13 with their schools, respectively. Akron’s John Groce is in year seven, while Ohio’s Jeff Boals is in year five. These coaches have built up positive cultures at their respective schools and they, along with players and fans, have reaped success because of it.

If Frank Martin remains with the Minutemen through their first couple seasons in the MAC, which I see as likely, a similar story may await UMass men’s basketball.
Women: Two at the Top

The women’s basketball scene in the MAC is led by two heavyweights: Ball State and Toledo. Massey has both programs ranked in the top-70 nationally, putting the MAC’s top two on a similar playing field as the A-10’s top two programs this season, Richmond and Saint Joseph’s.

The Rockets have a one-game lead in the conference at time of writing, sitting at 21-4 (13-1 MAC). Led by head coach Tricia Cullop, Toledo pulled off a shocker in the NCAA Tournament last season, defeating Iowa State as a 12 seed before falling to Tennessee in the round of 32.

Ball State also has four losses on the season, and of its 23 victories, some have been over marquee names. At the Sun Coast Tournament in December, the Cardinals took down Pittsburgh and Georgia by 11 points and 1 point, respectively. In conference play, Ball State handed the Rockets their lone conference loss thus far, winning by 14 at home before the Rockets got their revenge in late February.
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Despite their middling reputation, the MAC still produces stars yearly. Here’s a fun fact for you: the MAC has had one pick in each of the last three NBA drafts. Those three draftees put the conference on par with the A-10 (three) and ahead of the Mountain West (two).

A potential reason I’ve found for this is that MAC teams’ offensive systems give stars more breathing room to do their thing. An extreme example of this was Emoni Bates with Eastern Michigan last season, as the forward took just under 16 shots per night. This season, there are three MAC players in the top eight nationally in field goal attempts per game.

Especially with guards, it doesn’t take long for MAC talent to emerge and either go pro or transfer up to a bigger school. Just this past offseason, three MAC guards transferred to power-conference programs (Curtis Jones from Buffalo to Iowa State, Kevin Miller from Central Michigan to Wake Forest, RayJ Dennis from Toledo to Baylor). All three are prospering at their newest stops, showcasing the talent level of the conference in the process.
Despite their reputation as an average conference, the MAC is actually above average when it comes to men’s basketball attendance. The conference averaged 2,804 fans per home game last season which ranked 12th out of 32 Division I conferences. In the grand scheme of things, that’s not too far off from the A-10, which averaged 4,354 fans per contest. The Minutemen’s 2022-23 average of 3,580 fans would have put them fourth in the MAC, behind Toledo, Ohio and Ball State.
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Re: MAC Teams - Present and Future

Post by Quann » Sun Mar 10, 2024 6:40 pm

I love that only the top 8 in the MAC make it. At least that makes the MAC regular season mean a little more. The A10 allowing all 15 teams to play in the tourney is so stupid.

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Post by minutefanjsf » Sun Mar 10, 2024 9:08 pm

Quann wrote: Sun Mar 10, 2024 6:40 pm I love that only the top 8 in the MAC make it. At least that makes the MAC regular season mean a little more. The A10 allowing all 15 teams to play in the tourney is so stupid.
The A10 doesn’t realize it is sinking towards a one bid league. Not making top teams play the bottom lends itself more to a chalk tournament.

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Post by Steve81 » Fri Mar 15, 2024 9:20 pm

Do remember a certain Patriot TE, who was a MAC QB.
This was posted on the MAC site.

2024 MAC Hall of Fame
Inductees include:

-- Nick Saban (Kent State - Football, 1970-72 // Baseball, 1972 // Grad Assistant Coach, 1973-74 // LB Coach, 1975-76 // Toledo Head Coach, 1990)
-- Frank Solich (Ohio - Football Head Coach, 2005-20)
-- Curt Miller (Bowling Green - Women's Basketball Head Coach, 2001-12)
-- Former student-athlete: Jessica Simpson (Miami – Softball, 2009-12)
-- Former student athlete: Sarah Obras (Ball State – Volleyball, 2002-05)
-- Former student athlete: Jordan Lynch, NIU - Football, 2009 (redshirt-2013), Heisman Trophy Finalist

MAC Hall of Fame induction is in Cleveland on May 30, 2024.

(Footnote: think Saban will show up?)
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Post by wmmmfan » Sat Mar 16, 2024 9:55 pm

Watched quite a bit of the MAC tournament and the basketball was entertaining and the talent was good. What really impressed me was the atmosphere in Cleveland. I have to say, between the AAC, CUSA and the MAC, the MAC by far had the best tournament atmosphere. The AAC should be embarrassed, the attendance for their tournament horrible.
Also, I hope WKU joins the MAC at some point their, hoops program is very good and has great history.

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Post by MakeMullinsGreatAgain » Sun Mar 17, 2024 9:57 am

I watched a lot of the MAC games the past few days and the quality of play was very good. I think the difference between MAC level teams and A-10 isn't as far off as I first thought. I think the reason for the great atmosphere at this tournament is the fans all know its a 1 bid league so each game really is do or die.

MAC final drew 7,990 fans - yesterdays attendance in Brooklyn there were 8,030.

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Post by Juice Stand » Sun Mar 17, 2024 10:51 am

I'll preface this by saying I don't know what I'm taking about and this is pure opinion not backed up by any facts, but with that said, the difference between the A10 and the MAC in basketball is a perceived difference based on computer rankings. The reality, I suspect, is a little different. You look at the conference rankings and say "wow, A10 is 8th and MAC is 24th??? They're hot garbage compared to our league!". But 8th to 24th is just a number, what does that mean in real basketball play? It might be marginal. The top of the A10 is a little better, buoyed by strong programs like Dayton, VCU, and St Bonaventure, but for the most part I'd venture a guess and say most teams aren't too far apart overall.

It's the same as looking at an individual team ranking (UMass at 94 KenPom) and saying we're a top-100 team, so we should wipe the floor with Akron (116) and Toledo (139) because they're outside the top 100 and in a putrid conference. We might win 6 out of 10 against those teams, but they'd take the other 4 and give us a battle in the majority.

I think we'll be just fine, and as others have noted, the MAC tournament looked like a lot of fun. I watched the AAC (John Buggs at North Texas, common opponent USF, and last night Temple upset FAU), and the attendance was laughable. Box score says 5,545 but that must include ushers and security, because the joint was empty. And that was for a semifinal game with FAU, the NCAA tournament darling last year.

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Post by Quann » Sun Mar 17, 2024 12:09 pm

I think every UMass fan should be excited just for the mere fact that we have a chance to regularly be in contention for the auto-bid to the NCAA tourney. In the A-10, realistically we have had close to zero chance to win the conference tourney going on 25+ years to secure the auto bid. Playing in March Madness is more fun than playing in the A-10 and never playing tourney games.

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Post by WillHerndonFan » Sun Mar 17, 2024 6:48 pm

Quann wrote: Sun Mar 17, 2024 12:09 pm I think every UMass fan should be excited just for the mere fact that we have a chance to regularly be in contention for the auto-bid to the NCAA tourney. In the A-10, realistically we have had close to zero chance to win the conference tourney going on 25+ years to secure the auto bid. Playing in March Madness is more fun than playing in the A-10 and never playing tourney games.
Watched MAC final and feel bad for Kent State and the dumb foul to help Akron win. (Ie ask GMU about this scenario). Actually excited that the crowd for the MAC tournament is much larger in Cleveland than Brooklyn!

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Post by pk77 » Sun Mar 17, 2024 10:40 pm

are you people serious, the MAC basketball teams are horrible. They got the auto 1 NCAA bid and zero NIT bids. vs the Atlantic 10 which got 2 NCAA and 4 NIT bids. Our basketball program is going to suffer big time in the talent level they can recruit. Oh yea, our team will still be competitive in the MAC but we are going to be watching sub level basketball. Might as well stay local and go to a good high school game.
Calapari must be pulling his hair out seeing how we are destroying the foundation he set up and making sure we had a competitive schedule to recruit high level players.

if we ever do get a good recruit, they will surely leave our team to go to a better league.

It's going to be so great to hang those MAC Conference Championship banners in the rafters next to the Atlantic 10 Championship Banners !! What a disgrace !!

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Post by kd68 » Mon Mar 18, 2024 4:39 am

Joining the MAC will make it very difficult to recruit and retain quality players. Big step backwards for our basketball team. The A-10 is still seen as a basketball conference as witnessed by our 2 NCAA and 3 NIT bids. How many bids did the MAC get? I wished we stayed in the A-10 for basketball.

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Post by TheInsider » Mon Mar 18, 2024 5:43 am

^^ None of that is actually true. A quality player from the ACC is different than a quality player from the A-10, which is different than a quality player from the MAC and so on... There are good players from the MAC and UMass will have the best facilities and most investment. So in reality is should actually be easier to recruit a quality player relative to your conference. Secondly, losing good players will happen no matter what conference we are in. Thirdly, we really have been no better than some MAC teams of the course of the last decade or so. The product on the court won't be much different. So if we want to get into the NCAA we would either have to win the A10 tourney or the MAC tourney because unless we were a top 25 team an at large ain't happening.

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Post by pk77 » Mon Mar 18, 2024 7:08 am

Insider, in regards to your comment "Umass will have the best facilities and most investment in the MAC". Having a million dollar house in a neighborhood made up of $400K houses is never a good investment. Also would you be upset having a team that is talented enough to be in the NIT ? The MAC couldn't even get one team into the NIT, the league sucks ! I am glad that you agree that the quality of play will go down. if quality of play goes down, the talent level of your recruits will also go down.

KD68, the Atlantic 10 had 4 NIT bids and not 3 ( St Joes, VCU,Loyola, Richmond). So the difference in leagues is even worst than you thought.

All you needed to look at is Coach Franks facial expression and body language during the MAC announcement show to see what he thinks about the move and that's with him trying to look excited in front of his bosses.

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