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Re: Head coaching options

Post by McKinney » Wed Oct 03, 2018 7:56 am

^ His specific system would not work because in FBS you can't guarantee immediate playing time to P5 talent that finds themselves in hot water. I could be mistaken, but transfers have to wait a year unless they grad transfer. The kids on "Last Chance U" typically aren't the type to grad transfer. Usually they have severe academic troubles and troubles with the law.

So he may be a great recruiter, I won't deny him that, but his specific system that he has at JUCO wouldn't translate in FBS. It would work somewhat better in FCS, if he wants to go that route. FBS players who transfer to an FCS school don't have to sit out. However the other part of his system is banking on the high turnover of JUCO, which also isn't as achievable in either FBS or FCS.
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Re: Head coaching options

Post by UMassNet15 » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:12 am

May I offer up Jimmy Lake (Washington) as another POI? Young, hungry, talented and maybe affordable with creative incentives. Plus no buyout!
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Re: Head coaching options

Post by jpatsfan » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:43 am

I'm still really big on the coach up in Orono. Maine is having a solid year!

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Post by ZooMass84 » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:49 am

jpatsfan wrote: Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:43 am I'm still really big on the coach up in Orono. Maine is having a solid year!
Don't want a 1AA coach............Would love to have a young (late 20's to 40) coach who has a clue, has won in the past, Lane Kiffen type. maybe the old Temple coach Al Golden. Need a guy with energy, not a bullshitter like Molnar. All McCutcheon heard was "Notre Dame", then made the worst coaching hire in the history of UMass.
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Post by Cahoonaville » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:54 am

Don't want a 1AA coach............Would love to have a young (late 20's to 40) coach who has a clue, has won in the past, Lane Kiffen type. maybe the old Temple coach Al Golden. Need a guy with energy, not a bullshitter like Molnar. All McCutcheon heard was "Notre Dame", then made the worst coaching hire in the history of UMass.


above....Kevin Morris was the bad hire that started this decline
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Re: Head coaching options

Post by jpatsfan » Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:16 pm

Then it's the HC from Troy or bust.

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Re: Head coaching options

Post by Dickie Dunn » Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:09 am

jpatsfan wrote: Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:16 pm Then it's the HC from Troy or bust.
You’re aware that Neal Brown makes $810k a year already?
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Post by wmmmfan » Sun Oct 07, 2018 6:44 am

I was speaking with two of my customers recently, one is an Alabama grad the other is an Ohio State grad and both are big college football fans. They each talked about coaches they follow:

Curt Cignetti the HC at Elon and a former Nick Saban Alabama assistant. Former recruiting coordinator who’s having a good season.
Vince Kehres the HC at Mount Union a very successful DIII program. I thought he was kidding when given this name but after looking him up he looks like he will get a shot someday if he wants it. Interestingly I read an article about Him that said his father, a highly successful coach at Mount Union himself, once turned down the UMass job.

So a couple of names to look at while we ride out the rest of the season.

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Re: Head coaching options

Post by Carl Spackler » Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:56 am

wmmmfan wrote: Sun Oct 07, 2018 6:44 am I was speaking with two of my customers recently, one is an Alabama grad the other is an Ohio State grad and both are big college football fans. They each talked about coaches they follow:

Curt Cignetti the HC at Elon and a former Nick Saban Alabama assistant. Former recruiting coordinator who’s having a good season.
Vince Kehres the HC at Mount Union a very successful DIII program. I thought he was kidding when given this name but after looking him up he looks like he will get a shot someday if he wants it. Interestingly I read an article about Him that said his father, a highly successful coach at Mount Union himself, once turned down the UMass job.

So a couple of names to look at while we ride out the rest of the season.
2 good options....Mount Union has a ridiculously successful program, no doubt he can coach but can he get the recruits from the southeast, NJ, PA, etc....Elon has a great win over JMU on the road yesterday.
Unfortunately, no matter who we get it will likely be 3 to 4 years to turn the ship around....we simply don’t have the horses on the defensive side of the ball.

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Re: Head coaching options

Post by eldonabe » Mon Oct 08, 2018 12:00 pm

Stop with the "young energetic" cliche's.

Nobody should care if the guy is 70 or 30 or anywhere in between... We need a good Head Coach who knows how to organize things, hire good people around him, recognize and utilize talent, and knows how to speak to people (alums, students, press).

It still comes down to fit and feel in the end. I bet there are some "great" coaches who could not be able to make this work, and other "not so good" candidates who can put Umass on the map.


Most of us here agree (finally) that Whip is not the real answer. IMO I think that RB will choose the right person for the job when the time comes.

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Re: Head coaching options

Post by McKinney » Sat Oct 13, 2018 9:20 pm

Generally I'd prefer an FCS head coach, but any thoughts on Miami's DC Manny Diaz?
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Re: Head coaching options

Post by gosox22 » Wed Oct 17, 2018 12:00 pm

This is going to be an incredibly tough sell to any head coaching candidates. The roster is going to be obliterated in all likelihood, we're living in the land of independent purgatory and our average attendance is abysmal and has been since the Kevin Morris era. Bamford will really earn his paycheck if he nails this hire. I have a lot of faith in Ryan, but there are a lot of factors working against us.

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Post by Floyd » Wed Oct 17, 2018 12:12 pm

That's the thing tho, nobody expects UMASS to be relevant in football. It's a great opportunity to get this thing turned around and there's always good coaches looking for that opportunity. Just have to get the right guy
I really hoped Whip would get it done here.
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Re: Head coaching options

Post by minutefanjsf » Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:21 pm

gosox22 wrote: Wed Oct 17, 2018 12:00 pm This is going to be an incredibly tough sell to any head coaching candidates. The roster is going to be obliterated in all likelihood, we're living in the land of independent purgatory and our average attendance is abysmal and has been since the Kevin Morris era. Bamford will really earn his paycheck if he nails this hire. I have a lot of faith in Ryan, but there are a lot of factors working against us.
The roster will not be obliterated. That was one of the many Molnar mistakes. Kids can’t just leave on their own. They need releases. It is not as hard of sell as you’d think. There is a history for this program, that even though was an FCS history, shows a strong tradition. It’s an elite public flagship University on the rise, too.

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Re: Head coaching options

Post by McKinney » Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:25 pm

minutefanjsf wrote: Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:21 pm
gosox22 wrote: Wed Oct 17, 2018 12:00 pm This is going to be an incredibly tough sell to any head coaching candidates. The roster is going to be obliterated in all likelihood, we're living in the land of independent purgatory and our average attendance is abysmal and has been since the Kevin Morris era. Bamford will really earn his paycheck if he nails this hire. I have a lot of faith in Ryan, but there are a lot of factors working against us.
The roster will not be obliterated. That was one of the many Molnar mistakes. Kids can’t just leave on their own. They need releases. It is not as hard of sell as you’d think. There is a history for this program, that even though was an FCS history, shows a strong tradition. It’s an elite public flagship University on the rise, too.
Uh, not anymore they don't.
Transfers may now leave without asking their current school for permission. Under this new “notification-of-transfer” model, student-athletes will have their names entered into a national database, and coaches from other programs can then reach out to gauge interest.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/n ... 698734002/
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