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Re: McGuirk Upgrade

Post by InnervisionsUMASS » Wed May 16, 2018 8:50 am

eldonabe wrote: Wed May 16, 2018 8:41 am I actually do understand it.

My question was actually very simple.... does the current barn have any structural infrastructure in place to expand seating significantly enough without having to take it down? If you are going to pretty it up with things that seem of a permanent nature, there must be something there that allows seating expansion to get to a smaller size FBS stadium?

Yes they do. It's been discussed here before and there are renderings of what the upgrade would look like.
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Post by eldonabe » Wed May 16, 2018 11:29 am

Thank you - question asked and question answered.

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Re: McGuirk Upgrade

Post by Steve81 » Wed May 16, 2018 12:30 pm

There is a slight difference in the color of the concrete, but you can make out the old and the new in the photo.
Look at the two trees and almost down the center of the tree furthest away.

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Re: McGuirk Upgrade

Post by McKinney » Wed May 16, 2018 12:36 pm

Steve81 wrote: Wed May 16, 2018 12:30 pm There is a slight difference in the color of the concrete, but you can make out the old and the new in the photo.
Look at the two trees and almost down the center of the tree furthest away.

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I don't think even the lower level is the current grandstand. I think it's an entirely new structure. If you look at this photo you can see tunnels into the stadium on that level that do not currently exist at McGuirk.
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Re: McGuirk Upgrade

Post by Steve81 » Wed May 16, 2018 12:39 pm

See what you are saying, but the picture is labeled option B. Not sure the picture you are showing is also option 'B'.

Bottom line it's years away and not sure what the 20-25k option is.
According to the RFP, they want to reuse if possible the video board structure or build it in the same area.

From RFP:
Videoboard and Public Address System
1. The primary scope of work for the study is the replacement of the current south
end zone score board with a new LED videoboard. The specific equipment
associated with the videoboard, north end zone scoreboard, and public address
system are specifically detailed in the Technology Schematic Design Report. In
addition to this equipment, the cost estimates should include the following work
items.
a. Remove and dispose of existing scoreboard wall-mounted speakers.
b. Alter existing scoreboard structure to accommodate new videoboard.
c. Incorporate camera platform and ladder access.
d. Installation of videoboard, public address speakers, and north end zone
scoreboard.
e. Evaluate potential for existing scoreboard and speaker re-sale or donation.
f. Provide landscaping (low plantings and new planting soil) around the
outside perimeter of the existing chain link fence scoreboard enclosure.
II. TECHNOLOGY
Introduction
A. The McGuirk Alumni Stadium at UMass – Amherst includes a single, standard definition
video scoreboard and two sets of speakers/horns at the south end of the stadium. The
video component is not used during games. Instead, a portable videoboard is rented and
brought on site at the southeast corner of the stadium on game days. The University is
planning the replacement of the scoreboard with a new high-definition LED videoboard. As
part of this replacement, the University is considering either reusing the existing audio
equipment or replacing it.
B. It is preferred to use the existing scoreboard structure for the new videoboard. However,
at the time of this report, the condition and capacity of that structure is unknown. The exact
dimensions of the existing scoreboard are also unknown. During a February 2018 site visit,
the scoreboard was estimated to be 20’H x 42’W with the bottom edge of the scoreboard
at 20’AFG.
C. The University has completed several similar projects at other venues on campus recently
using solutions from Daktronics. To keep materials, controls, and maintenance consistent,
the proposed solutions herein are that of Daktronics.
Videoboard
A. General Description
1. The new videoboard will consist entirely of high-definition, LED panels, mirroring
the dimensions of the existing scoreboard. There will be no static ad panels or
static scoring components of the new videoboard, however, that information can
be created by the UMass video production team and displayed on the LED board.
2. LED videoboards are constructed of many smaller LED panels (modules) put
together to achieve the overall size of the videoboard with an appropriate aspect
ratio. The modules consist of rows of thousands of red, green, and blue (RGB)
diodes that produce the colors of the images being displayed. The specifications
of the modules, specifically related to the RGB light emitting diodes is significant
when comparing videoboard options and solutions.
3. One of the biggest factors to consider regarding the displayed images and how
they are perceived by the audience is the pixel pitch. Pixel pitch is the spacing
between the RGB rows and columns on the modules. The smaller the distance
between the LEDs, the higher the resolution. In turn, the cost increases with the
higher resolution LED modules. For the project, a 13HD and 15HD solution are
being considered.
B. LED Videoboard
1. The most common solution for a collegiate stadium of this size and type is the
Daktronics 13HD LED display. The 13HD model represents 13.063mm (0.514-
inches) row and column spacing between the LEDs. This reduced dimension
results in a high quality, high-definition image. The 13HD display videoboard
includes the following specifications:
a. Overall Dimensions: 19.2’H x 42’W
b. Pixels: 28 x 28
c. Refresh Rate: 4,800Hz
d. Number of Modules (HxW): 16 Modules x 35 Modules
e. Matrix Size (HxW): 448 pixels x 980 pixels
f. Weight: up to 9,000 lbs.
g. Power: 5,708W (average); 22,830W (max)
2. The minimum recommended solution for this project is the Daktronics 15HD –
15.24mm (0.6-inches) row and column spacing between the LEDs. This solution
is lower cost and lower resolution than the 13HD. The 15HD display videoboard
includes the following specifications:
a. Overall Dimensions: 19.2’H x 42’W
b. Pixels: 24 x 24
c. Refresh Rate: 3,840Hz
d. Number of Modules (HxW): 16 Modules x 35 Modules
e. Matrix Size (HxW): 384 pixels x 840 pixels
f. Weight: up to 8,000 lbs.
g. Power: 10,094W (average); 28,837W (max)
3. Other specifications such as LED Lifetime, Brightness, and Viewing Angle are
consistent between the 13HD and 15HD solutions. Both solutions also include a
primary and backup, rack-mounted Daktronics control system.
a. The new LED videoboard will be able to display content similar to the
portable videoboard that has been used on game days. Existing UMass
production equipment will connect to the videoboard control system to
broadcast live and replay video, generate and display game information,
ads, etc.
C. Videoboard Cost Comparison
1. The costs listed include equipment only.
a. 13HD: $400,000
b. 15HD: $340,000
2. Installation costs can range from $100,000 - $200,000 depending on the existing
structure review. These costs do not include the cost of a new structure to support
the videoboard and speakers.
3. With the LED videoboard, it is recommended to replace the two (north and south
end zone) delay-of-game clocks which were observed to have some damage to
the enclosure. The cost for (2) game clocks is $4,300.
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Post by Steve81 » Wed May 16, 2018 12:55 pm

MJatUM wrote: Mon May 14, 2018 2:19 pm If it is seasonal I believe that means it is intended to be semi-permanent. Up during the winter but collapsible and removable during the summer.
Downloaded the RFP and they list the air supported, rigid frame fabric, and traditional structures.
End of season through March.
ASSUMPTIONS:
• FIELD TYPE
FOOTBALL: 160’ x 360’ = 80,000 SF
• 20’ RUN-OFF ALL SIDES
• CLEAR HEIGHT BETWEEN HASH MARKS
APPROX 60’
• APPROX 15’ CLEAR HEIGHT POTENTIAL AT
SIDELINES
• TEMPORARY STRUCTURE OVER EXISTING FIELD
REQUIRES RECESSED FLUSH CURB FOUNDATION
AND MODIFIED DRAINAGE, POSSIBLE RE-TURF
• 40’ X 60’ PAD REQUIRED FOR UTILITIES
• IN USE END-OF-SEASON THROUGH MARCH
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Post by McKinney » Wed May 16, 2018 1:03 pm

Steve81 wrote: Wed May 16, 2018 12:39 pm See what you are saying, but the picture is labeled option B. Not sure the picture you are showing is also option 'B'.
They're both labeled "Option 8" from what I can see.
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Post by Steve81 » Wed May 16, 2018 1:32 pm

See it now. Guessing with the bubble and incremental approach, we may not see the east side demolished but build around it. Time will tell.
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Post by InnervisionsUMASS » Wed May 16, 2018 1:41 pm

Regardless, they can build in the exact same spot. They wouldn't have come up with those renderings otherwise.
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Post by sloves90_611 » Wed May 16, 2018 8:27 pm

I believe that it was mentioned before that the interior image of “Option 8” with the tunnels was probably just an error by the artist to a certain extent. I’m sure that what they’re doing now will not impose on the potential for future expansion. That would be a big no no.

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Re: McGuirk Upgrade

Post by minutefanjsf » Thu May 17, 2018 6:17 am

sloves90_611 wrote: Wed May 16, 2018 8:27 pm I believe that it was mentioned before that the interior image of “Option 8” with the tunnels was probably just an error by the artist to a certain extent. I’m sure that what they’re doing now will not impose on the potential for future expansion. That would be a big no no.
That front view option also shows the stands coming right up to the side of the field, removing the space between the current stands and fence, and is therefore a new structure based on the renderings. This could be artist error or freedom, or it could mean that they plan to add seats in front, remove the current stair wells and cut some holes in the old bird. Or it is a complete rebuild. Looks to be in the same space going back though. If it is a complete rebuild, these concrete structures are now prefab sections that get put together like Legos, very quick build.

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Re: McGuirk Upgrade

Post by Berkman » Thu May 17, 2018 2:20 pm

I can still remember that when the stadium was built there were foundations installed to support a second deck if one was ever built. Don't know if they would meet present building codes but that was an option back in 1965.

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Post by wmmmfan » Fri May 18, 2018 8:08 pm

What are people’s thoughts on a $1 per ticket surcharge to all UM sporting events as a way for the average fan who can’t donate big dollars to assist with these projects? Just curious, I for one would be ok with it.

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Post by minutefanjsf » Fri May 18, 2018 8:43 pm

wmmmfan wrote: Fri May 18, 2018 8:08 pm What are people’s thoughts on a $1 per ticket surcharge to all UM sporting events as a way for the average fan who can’t donate big dollars to assist with these projects? Just curious, I for one would be ok with it.
Id be for it, but I don't think we have enough paying customers for it to matter right now.

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Post by sloves90_611 » Fri May 18, 2018 10:01 pm

wmmmfan wrote: Fri May 18, 2018 8:08 pm What are people’s thoughts on a $1 per ticket surcharge to all UM sporting events as a way for the average fan who can’t donate big dollars to assist with these projects? Just curious, I for one would be ok with it.
Definitely for it.
At all ATH events, because all teams would be impacted (positively) by an IPF.

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