2018 Season

[Old Cage]

Long ago UMASS MBA here - long before it was Isenberg. Here are some educated guesses from the last numbers that I remember seeing. If anyone can correct, please do.

Two year program size = about 60
Therefore, admitted per year = about 30

Males = just over 50%
Therefore, about 16 per year

International = about 20%
Therefore, about 13 from the U.S. per year

Average age = 28 with the older admitted students having 8 or more years of professional business experience

Isenberg has other Masters programs besides the MBA. It's easy for me to see why he was not admitted IF he is specifically interested in only the MBA. I don't know if that info is correct.

[UMassfan_19]

Are we really arguing that the school should be forced to accept someone just because they're an athlete? We don't know why he wasn't accepted, or even if that statement by Whipple is actually why Driscoll is transferring.

No, that's not what we're arguing about.

Isenberg's MBA may not be a Top 50 program, but it is #55 and it is an incredibly small program given its ranking. Isenberg has 51 full time MBA students compared to an average of 467 full time MBA students in the Top 50. Why does this matter? Because when their reputation is relying on the success of so few people (students and professors) they're going to be more stringent in their admissions than their rank would imply.

Great. Jack Driscoll is already a success and he will continue to be a success. That's why Isenberg should be looking to admit him. The kid is fantastic in all aspects. The fact that he completed his degree in 3 years while playing FBS Football representing the University is a HUGE positive that is worthy of extensive consideration for numerous reasons. The fact that Isenberg managed to mess this up is truly classic old school UMass...lets do exactly the opposite of what we should be doing and what is good for the University...LOL !!

Letting one not so great candidate into an enrollment of 51 is going to have a lot more impact on their average GMAT and GRE scores and average GPA than a school like Northwestern which has 1,297 MBA students. It could also have more of an impact on recruiter, salary, and employment scores. You can be sure that if word got out that Isenberg let in a bad candidate because he was an athlete it would destroy their reputation among peer institutions. Not to mention the blowback on the athletics department.

You are just making up your own facts and fabricating idiotic scenarios that have nothing to do with reality. The Reality is that Jack Driscoll is an excellent person, and great student, a great ambassador of the University and a he is an excellent candidate for an MBA with Isenberg. Isenberg should be looking for great candidates such as Jack Driscoll ... not turning them down.

Also completing a degree in three years means almost nothing to a master's program. Academic performance has very little to do with how long it takes you to complete your degree. If you fail classes that adds time, but you can also load up every semester and get minimum passing scores, you can double-dip gen eds, you can take summer and winter courses, etc.

What a dumb thing to say. Completing the bachelor's program in three years is a strength and a very positive sign that deserves due consideration by Isenberg. If as you say it "means nothing" to Isenberg - then that shows how out of touch Isenberg is when it comes to giving due consideration to the individual strengths of candidates for the MBA program. Jack Driscoll is a great great kid who deserves credit and consideration for his accomplishments as a student athlete for UMass - the fact that Isenberg is apparently tone deaf to this reality is pathetic.

Hate to break it to you buddy but graduating in 3 years is Incredibly easy at umass. especially with summer sessions that football players are on campus for. Signed student who is double majoring instead of graduating early. Face it the dude isn't on deans list so he has a sub 3.5 gpa and probably has average at best gre scores. When getting into a masters program being a good guy really doesn't mean anything being a starting Tackle means less

[McKinney]

Hate to break it to you buddy but graduating in 3 years is Incredibly easy at umass. especially with summer sessions that football players are on campus for. Signed student who is double majoring instead of graduating early. Face it the dude isn't on deans list so he has a sub 3.5 gpa and probably has average at best gre scores. When getting into a masters program being a good guy really doesn't mean anything being a starting Tackle means less

I think that's taking the argument a bit too far. I can't imagine graduating in three years while also playing football is an easy thing to do. In my eyes that's quite an accomplishment, but it probably does have little impact on his grad school admissions profile.

I've never met or heard of anyone in my college graduating in three years (although that could be because of the year long senior capstone project required in all engineering disciplines) and I've also never met or heard of anyone double majoring. However I have met a number of folks with minors.

I'm not going to speculate on his GMAT or GRE scores. They could be somewhat linked to your GPA, but some people are just really good/bad at taking standardized tests.

[69MG]

As an Isenberg Alum this obviously hits close to home for me. I reached out to a contact I have at Isenberg who has the ability (authority) to look into Driscoll's application and see what happened. He/she should be able to get back to me by the end of the week. I will divulge whatever information my contact feels is appropriate and maybe we can finally put this to bed. Also, I was informed that Isenberg will stretch a bit for student-athletes, but there are limitations.

[UMassfan_19]

Hate to break it to you buddy but graduating in 3 years is Incredibly easy at umass. especially with summer sessions that football players are on campus for. Signed student who is double majoring instead of graduating early. Face it the dude isn't on deans list so he has a sub 3.5 gpa and probably has average at best gre scores. When getting into a masters program being a good guy really doesn't mean anything being a starting Tackle means less

I think that's taking the argument a bit too far. I can't imagine graduating in three years while also playing football is an easy thing to do. In my eyes that's quite an accomplishment, but it probably does have little impact on his grad school admissions profile.

I've never met or heard of anyone in my college graduating in three years (although that could be because of the year long senior capstone project required in all engineering disciplines) and I've also never met or heard of anyone double majoring. However I have met a number of folks with minors.

I'm not going to speculate on his GMAT or GRE scores. They could be somewhat linked to your GPA, but some people are just really good/bad at taking standardized tests.

Double majors are pretty easy in isenberg sport and marketing major personally. Have quite a few friends graduating a semester or two early in isenberg. Knock out gen eds in summer session it's not an impossible task at all

[UMassfan_19]

As an Isenberg Alum this obviously hits close to home for me. I reached out to a contact I have at Isenberg who has the ability (authority) to look into Driscoll's application and see what happened. He/she should be able to get back to me by the end of the week. I will divulge whatever information my contact feels is appropriate and maybe we can finally put this to bed. Also, I was informed that Isenberg will stretch a bit for student-athletes, but there are limitations.

Hopefully it can put it to bed. And I have no doubt isenberg will stretch dean fuller is a big supporter of umass athletics

[MJatUM]

Double majors are pretty easy in isenberg sport and marketing major personally. Have quite a few friends graduating a semester or two early in isenberg. Knock out gen eds in summer session it's not an impossible task at all

Completely agree... A lot of the coursework in Isenberg overlaps anyway so if you were to meet with an advisor and schedule appropriately you could easily double major. You could probably double major with an SOM major and Economics or maybe Statistics too - might require 5 years though for those ones. Been almost a decade for me but I remember seeing how close I was to a few minors my senior year and wish I had focused more on locking one of those in than just taking some GPA boosters (hello French, or should I say, Bonjour!).

[njumass08]

As an Isenberg Alum this obviously hits close to home for me. I reached out to a contact I have at Isenberg who has the ability (authority) to look into Driscoll's application and see what happened. He/she should be able to get back to me by the end of the week. I will divulge whatever information my contact feels is appropriate and maybe we can finally put this to bed. Also, I was informed that Isenberg will stretch a bit for student-athletes, but there are limitations.

Hopefully it can put it to bed. And I have no doubt isenberg will stretch dean fuller is a big supporter of umass athletics

Definitely won't be donating to Isenberg this year, and possibly never again, unless there is something more to this than just grades or test scores.

[njumass08]

Bamford on Twitter saying the Driscoll situation isn't an Isenberg admissions issue. So apparently there is more to the story.

[InnervisionsUMASS]

Curious if that is actually the case, or if ISOM/the University told him to say that.

[Steve81]

Think many new about the kick off rule and no leaping that cost us the Temple Gillette game.

http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/med ... e-approved

[minutefanjsf]

Bamford on Twitter saying the Driscoll situation isn't an Isenberg admissions issue. So apparently there is more to the story.

Still believe the AD here. Whip was pissed at the whole situation, not just the declined admission. It was a very short quote. FERPA doesn't just cover grades, it also covers discipline. Hopefully, this isn't a situation where discipline mattered, but it is possible. Hopefully the school made the right decision in the long run. I haven't seen any player tweets about it. Hoping the players rally around the situation. Hoping the players believe the school made the right choice as well. If, not then Whip has a real big job to get these guys together to play for a school that just cut one of their own loose.

[DEM]

It's hard for me to have a strong opinion on this without having all the facts (most, if not all of us, don't have them). However, I disagree with some of the sentiment expressed here. Just as I wouldn't want an architecture history teacher dictating the future of the athletics, I also don't think it would be appropriate for Mark Whipple to impose his will on the decisions of any of the academic departments. I am okay with his having a little bit of influence on these issues, but if there is a major disagreement on the suitability of a candidate for whatever reason, then it is what it is and I think to a certain degree we should accept it. UMass is elevating its academic reputation, and I believe that UMass Football and the rest of UMass athletics can/should continue its ascent as well without butting heads with any of the academic departments.

[78]

What remains to be seen is a good offensive line. They'll be experienced (and we're assuming experience==improvement), but that doesn't mean they'll even be average in performance.

That isn't what the article is about superfan. The article is about a veteran experienced OLine. Which is what we have as of April 2018. I realize that you idiotically still want to fire the best head coach in program history but attacking the OLine in the off season is even a new level of foolishness even for you.

"I noticed on that schedule that there are no games in May or June or July....so it doesn’t look like the regular season is going to start until September this year. So, that’s four months of team building. There will be other player acquisitions and deletions.... there are no games scheduled in May." BB

Jack, just stop with being a dick--you're better than that .

No he isn't

[Jack]

McKinney is making some pretty logical rebuttals, I think you are a little clouded in your judgement here. I happen to think that if you can do 4 years in 3 while playing football, you ain't no dummy - but nobody seems to know all the facts so maybe we should stop guessing?

Hey Ebabe everybody is entitled to express their opinion. We pretty much do know the facts and I happen to know more about the facts than I'm sharing. The bottom line is that this is "classic UMass" just as DennisDent stated.

We have a great kid in Jack Driscoll who is also an excellent football player with 2 yrs of eligibility left. He graduated in 3 yrs which is awesome and now he wants to pursue his MBA at Isenberg which is fantastic ... however the administrative geniuses at Isenberg can't figure how the hell to make this happen for the benefit of Jack Driscoll, UMASS, UMASS Football and Isenberg.... It is literally idiotic that Jack is being forced to leave the football team because for some reason Isenberg cannot figure out how to give this young man admission to pursue his B school dreams at Isenberg while continuing to play football for UMass. The stupidity of this situation cannot be understated. This is why Whipple and everybody else who is familiar with the situation is frustrated and fed up. As if simply giving a great kid a chance to pursue an MBA is somehow going to be a travesty.

This is pure unadulterated lunacy by UMass. And many of us who have dealt w/UMass administration over the years are not exactly surprised. They do not get it and they have no clue whatsoever what they are doing or why they are doing it. For crying out loud this is really low hanging fruit people...not a complex problem - the win/win solution is for this matter to be reviewed and for UMASS to give Jack Driscoll a chance to earn his MBA while playing football for UMass. The notion that this solution inconceivable to the powers that be is literally astounding.