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Post by shovelhd » Mon Feb 07, 2011 7:20 am

Agreed, xlgman. The one thing that DT gave us consistently was a strong initial attack. It might have been too deep, it might have been into a brick wall, and it might have resulted in a turnover now and then, but you could count on him keeping defenses honest.

DDM haters will be DDM haters, there's no convincing them. The main issue is that we are too one dimensional on offense. Too predictable. Pack in the zone and dare us to shoot. DK will come up with some great ways around it, like putting Putney or Sampson at the high post for one stretch, but then we don't see it again. DK's adjustments come far too little and far too late. I think that part of the confusion from the players is that they can't anticipate the adjustment on the fly, i.e. without a timeout.

We are horrible 3pt shooters. We miss way too many bunnies and putbacks. How many times have we made 2,3,4 offensive rebounds and not scored? It's frustrating. No midrange shots, no jump stops, which would work great against a packed in zone. I agree that we score best in transition, before the zone sets up.

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Post by kd68 » Mon Feb 07, 2011 8:52 am

From what I read there could a lot of pressure on Chaz to perform well at PG in order for this team to improve next year.

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Post by InnervisionsUMASS » Mon Feb 07, 2011 9:24 am

ktabz16 wrote:we have too many athletes and not enough basketball players. what i mean is look at richmond, all basketball players. there's plenty of athletic talent, not enough basketball skill.

You might be onto something here....
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Post by Swampy » Mon Feb 07, 2011 10:22 am

^^
Yep, I agree.

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Post by DEM » Mon Feb 07, 2011 10:40 am

Is it me, or did hell just freeze over? :?

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Post by eldonabe » Mon Feb 07, 2011 11:17 am

ktabz16 wrote:we have too many athletes and not enough basketball players. what i mean is look at richmond, all basketball players. there's plenty of athletic talent, not enough basketball skill.
I believe they call that BasketBall IQ......

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Post by throwdown » Mon Feb 07, 2011 11:31 am

Who would you say is athletic?

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Post by uz2b-len » Mon Feb 07, 2011 11:54 am

PUtney, Samp Carter, Farrell
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Post by Berkman » Mon Feb 07, 2011 12:10 pm

I am afraid that DK is painting himself into a corner just like Lappas did. Lappas could not get players or get the players he did get to buy into his motion offense. The DDM is going to do the same to DK unless he will change his offensive style. One game it looks like it may be working but most of the time especially when teams play a 2-3 zone against us we are lost out there. Everyone seems to stand around and wait to see if Gurley can drive to the hoop. The last couple of games Gurley has committed/been called for too many offensive charges. He puts his shoulder down and just drives to the hoop without regard what the defense is trying to do to stop him. Don't get me wrong as many times he does score or gets fouled or both but he needs some help. How many times this year was he the only player to score in double figures.

Some of you say next year we will be better. How. Who is there to pick up the scoring from the players we have on the team. Last year when Harris did the bulk of the scoring you could see that Gurley had the possibility to become the scorer he has become this year. I can't say that I see anyone on the team that will pick up the scoring consistently. We can talk about players coming in next year but we just don't get new players that make significant contributions in their first year. We just don't get those kind of players at UMass. I have just about lost all confidence that DK can get the program back to somewhere near the succesful teams we had back in the mid 90's. At least not as long as he insists on keeping with the DDM style. He cannot get the players Cal got at Memphis and now at Kentucky to play that style.

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Post by kd68 » Mon Feb 07, 2011 2:25 pm

Berkman,I agree with you. Unless Chaz is exceptional at PG, and we give up the DDM, I do not see us improving next year.

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Post by tdmass » Mon Feb 07, 2011 2:34 pm

Speaking of Gurley (above), Is there a player in our history that has commited as many charging fouls? I've followed the teams since 1970 and
don't believe I've ever seen anyone commit nearly as many. He averages between 2-3 per game!

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Post by rayers » Mon Feb 07, 2011 2:55 pm

Go sign up on UMass site to ask question of Coach for this Thiursday's show. Maybe we should ask him when he's going to get rid of the DDM fiasco!?!

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Post by Camby4Life » Mon Feb 07, 2011 3:17 pm

"DDM haters will be DDM haters, there's no convincing them. The main issue is that we are too one dimensional on offense. Too predictable. Pack in the zone and dare us to shoot. DK will come up with some great ways around it, like putting Putney or Sampson at the high post for one stretch, but then we don't see it again. DK's adjustments come far too little and far too late. I think that part of the confusion from the players is that they can't anticipate the adjustment on the fly, i.e. without a timeout."

This is the problem with the ddm, it is designed to attack a man-to-man defense. This is why it cant be a primary offense unless you have NBA talent. Teams sit back in a packed in 2-3 zone and umass continues to try to run the 3 man weave or just pass the ball around the perimeter. Sometimes they use the high post but then there is nothing else set up once the guy gets the ball there, there needs to be back screens off the weak side, maybe a high low pass, anything, but what ends up happening is the guy gets the ball and doesnt know what to do with it. Its the most frustrating offense to watch.

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Post by shovelhd » Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:19 pm

Camby, you have good solutions, but the fact that they are not being implemented has nothing to do with the DDM offense or your requirement for NBA level talent. It has everything to do with coaching.

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Post by Mike0473 » Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:53 pm

Even if they replace Gurley's offense, it won't be enough. They need to be a lot better overall. The offense is poor with Gurley on the team. I think next season will be a step back for the program. DK needs to get the right talent on the team at the same time.

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