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Jack wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2017 8:00 am

MJatUM wrote: Wed Nov 08, 2017 2:07 pm I hate to put it so simply, but I think this is the week that determines his fate. Win and he stays, lose and there's no question he's out. It is tough to overlook the start to the season but the way they've looked since the double bye is encouraging and I hate myself for typing this sentence.

The one caveat being if somebody becomes available that Bamford really wants and he can get - Whip is out.

Another moronic comment from a fan who ignores reality on multiple levels. NEWSFLASH: Whipple inherited a dumpster fire and has built a competitive team that won two straight and then went on the road to Mississippi State and came close to defeating a more talented top 20 team. Oh and he just inked another 3 star recruit. The notion that anybody would be calling for the Coach to be fired under such circumstances is utterly hilarious and it highlights just how dumb some of you actually are when it comes to understanding what is entailed in building a competitive FBS program from the ashes that he inherited from Morris/Molnar & McCutcheon. Breaking News: This is not the University of Texas. We are not cycling through coaches every 3-4 years. Whipple is the best Head Coach this program has ever had. He is the only Head Coach who has won a National Championship here and he has this team improving every single week....Do any of you supposed coaching experts even go to the games??? . and yet we still see posts like this from chuckleheads who fundamentally have no understanding of where this program is coming from and zero appreciation for the improvement and player development that has occurred under Coach Whipple. You guys are a joke who have no clue what you are talking about..... We will beat Maine this weekend....but it has nothing to do with Coach Whipple being on the hot seat.... Goodness gracious you guys are insufferably foolish.... GO UMASS !!!!

minutefanjsf wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:41 am

Jack wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2017 8:00 am

MJatUM wrote: Wed Nov 08, 2017 2:07 pm I hate to put it so simply, but I think this is the week that determines his fate. Win and he stays, lose and there's no question he's out. It is tough to overlook the start to the season but the way they've looked since the double bye is encouraging and I hate myself for typing this sentence.

The one caveat being if somebody becomes available that Bamford really wants and he can get - Whip is out.

Another moronic comment from a fan who ignores reality on multiple levels. NEWSFLASH: Whipple inherited a dumpster fire and has built a competitive team that won two straight and then went on the road to Mississippi State and came close to defeating a more talented top 20 team. Oh and he just inked another 3 star recruit. The notion that anybody would be calling for the Coach to be fired under such circumstances is utterly hilarious and it highlights just how dumb some of you actually are when it comes to understanding what is entailed in building a competitive FBS program from the ashes that he inherited from Morris/Molnar & McCutcheon. Breaking News: This is not the University of Texas. We are not cycling through coaches every 3-4 years. Whipple is the best Head Coach this program has ever had. He is the only Head Coach who has won a National Championship here and he has this team improving every single week....Do any of you supposed coaching experts even go to the games??? . and yet we still see posts like this from chuckleheads who fundamentally have no understanding of where this program is coming from and zero appreciation for the improvement and player development that has occurred under Coach Whipple. You guys are a joke who have no clue what you are talking about..... We will beat Maine this weekend....but it has nothing to do with Coach Whipple being on the hot seat.... Goodness gracious you guys are insufferably foolish.... GO UMASS !!!!

Don Brown has the best record as HC at UMass. He didn't win championship, but he got to one. He also is one of the main reasons the 1998 team won it all. BTW, FIU and GASO are not Texas either, and they fired their coaches for losing too much. The players have improved and developed for sure under Whipple. The problem is he has found ways to undermine that development by mismanaging games and calling ridiculous plays at times that baffle not only the fans, but the color commentators on our own radio show. Double pass on 3 and 1. Seemingly killing the clock against Miss ST then inexplicably stopping the clock at the end of the first half. Are two that come to mind. The deep ball to Isabella against MSST, when only needed inches, even though it worked, was stupid. Yes, Whipple has seen the program come back to life under his tutelage, but he is not the best coach we've had and he is not infallible.

e_parade wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:44 pm I'm firmly in the Don Brown camp for the best coach we ever had.

Jack wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:19 am

e_parade wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:44 pm I'm firmly in the Don Brown camp for the best coach we ever had.

I can see why you think so. Don Brown is a damn good coach (also a great person if you get to know him) but he never won a national championship as head coach and he also didn't inherit the 2-9 mike hodges mess that Whip did in 1998 or the 1-11 mccutcheon/molnar mess that Whip inherited in 2014. Don Brown inherited Whip's team.

But the point is that Don Brown is not coming back here to be the HC - so get over it. We are freaking lucky as hell to have Mark Whipple who has dramatically improved this football program and yet we still have imbeciles like 78 spouting off gibberish and nonsense about wanting to fire the best HC we've ever had and the guy who has taken this program from being a FBS doormat to being competitive FBS team.

minutefanjsf wrote: Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:53 am

Jack wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:19 am

e_parade wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:44 pm I'm firmly in the Don Brown camp for the best coach we ever had.

I can see why you think so. Don Brown is a damn good coach (also a great person if you get to know him) but he never won a national championship as head coach and he also didn't inherit the 2-9 mike hodges mess that Whip did in 1998 or the 1-11 mccutcheon/molnar mess that Whip inherited in 2014. Don Brown inherited Whip's team.

But the point is that Don Brown is not coming back here to be the HC - so get over it. We are freaking lucky as hell to have Mark Whipple who has dramatically improved this football program and yet we still have imbeciles like 78 spouting off gibberish and nonsense about wanting to fire the best HC we've ever had and the guy who has taken this program from being a FBS doormat to being competitive FBS team.

So, when Whip won 3 games in year three or four of his first go around, with his players?......agree to disagree. Don Brown never had a losing season.

minutefanjsf wrote: Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:56 am Also, I wasn't implying that DB was coming here to coach again. That wasn't part of the discussion. Whipple has done well at getting us competitive. No one is arguing for Molnar to come back. You can't think whip hasn't made some errors and can not improve.

Jack wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:19 am

e_parade wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:44 pm I'm firmly in the Don Brown camp for the best coach we ever had.

I can see why you think so. Don Brown is a damn good coach (also a great person if you get to know him) but he never won a national championship as head coach and he also didn't inherit the 2-9 mike hodges mess that Whip did in 1998 or the 1-11 mccutcheon/molnar mess that Whip inherited in 2014. Don Brown inherited Whip's team.

But the point is that Don Brown is not coming back here to be the HC - so get over it. We are freaking lucky as hell to have Mark Whipple who has dramatically improved this football program and yet we still have imbeciles like 78 spouting off gibberish and nonsense about wanting to fire the best HC we've ever had and the guy who has taken this program from being a FBS doormat to being competitive FBS team.

GuntherSAM wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:53 am Those last paragraphs indicate that given our late finish in the schedule should Bamford fire Whipple at the end of the season then UMass might be at a disadvantage when it comes to hiring a new coach. I assume we would be competing with those same schools. I wonder how much a factor, if at all, this will play into Bamford's decision?

gosox22 wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:56 pm

GuntherSAM wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:53 am Those last paragraphs indicate that given our late finish in the schedule should Bamford fire Whipple at the end of the season then UMass might be at a disadvantage when it comes to hiring a new coach. I assume we would be competing with those same schools. I wonder how much a factor, if at all, this will play into Bamford's decision?

This is a really interesting point that Matty V brings up. I suspect we won't see a decision made until after the season, as Bamford suggests. If after the season is over, someone Bamford really wanted to pursue had already landed somewhere else, that probably factors into a decision to perhaps give Whipple 1 more year. If candidates he has his eye on are still available after the season, that presumably would influence his decision towards letting Whipple go. Either way, I don't think anything happens until after the season is over.

Still think they bring Whipple back while adding an OC. If they win their last two games (or even 1 of their last 2), I would be absolutely stunned if that scenario did not play out.

jpatsfan wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:05 pm I continue to hope that someday we could see a Northeast or new Eastern base FBS conference. UMass and UNH drew 35K at Gillette as FCS schools.