2012-2013 Season

bittym87 · Post by **bittym87** » Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:35 pm

Somebody explain why "UMASS" would ever need to be in all caps again? Does it actually stand for something like IUPUI?

Marty Peretz · Post by **Marty Peretz** » Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:48 pm

All in favor of a 3 guard offense for 2013-2014 say I. I. Jesse JL and Chaz, then throw in Cady and Putney. Sampson as your do-everything sixth man. That's a freakishly good team.

Winslow05 · Post by **Winslow05** » Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:54 pm

What about TV?

Also, I know how great JL looks on film, but he has not played a game in a year and he has been hurt much of the year. Don't put him ahead of Freddie on the depth chart quite yet!

xlgman · Post by **xlgman** » Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:32 pm

Wasn't JL hurt most of the year?

xlgman · Post by **xlgman** » Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:46 pm

The key with having quality depth is being able to match up with your opponent so you create mismatches or neutralize their advantages. Lots of possibilities if DK can manage the rotation and egos well enough to maintain the chemistry and effort. Very excited to add some more ballhandlers like Jordan and Davis.

logan37 · Post by **logan37** » Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:01 pm

At this point whos ahead of who doesn't matter.Practice and preseason will put them in the right order and game play will keep them there once the season starts.I will say JL is going to do damage here.He has the athleticism of a put or maxie in a guards body.The best part he is confident and aggressive and likes to work.He will be a fine defender once he adjusts and has a high motor.

Pierce9999 · Post by **Pierce9999** » Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:17 pm

Marty Peretz wrote:Here's the thing re: Freddie and an outstanding season. It's not that I don't think he's capable of having a great year, but if he does, someone's going to lose minutes. And just who is that going to be? Jesse? Doubtful. Kid emerged as a lock-down defender, a dynamic secondary scoring option and a clear-cut starter. Javorn? Perhaps, but their games are pretty different. Putney? I doubt it, since Raph is only going to improve and plays a very different game than Freddie anyway. Laguerre? Sure, but he's a freshman anyway, so it's not like people are expecting him to be the second coming of Carmelo Travieso in his first season. Sampson Carter? Maybe, but Sampson's game is pretty different than Freddie's as well. I think Freddie could be a 3rd team all league type player, but I'm not sure how his skills are going to be incorporated into our up-tempo sets. That could all change if he can hit 40 percent or more of his three's because now you have a true zone breaker threat, but if he's not an energetic zone breaker off the bench, the only way Freddie is going to be a great player is if he's THE guy. I actually think he's got the talent to be THE guy somewhere (even here, if we played a different style) but how do people see him being a dominant presence for next year's UMass team? I'm not trying to call people out; I'm just really curious. Believe me, I'd like to see it more than anyone.

I also want to know what we'd define as a "great year." Remember, Freddie averaged I htink 9 points a game in his frosh and soph years before dipping to 6 and change this year (if I recall correctly). Is a great year 11 ppg? 19? I don't know. I'm just saying that "great" is a subjective standard. To me, a great year for Freddie would be shooting 40 percent from 3 and, let's say, 48 percent from the field, playing tough D, not committing too many turnovers and burying some clutch shots.

I think it's a bit of a stretch to think he will turn 180 and be great next yr. I think 11ppg and the same aggressive hard work on D would be nice. And I'd like to see him develop his drive and shoot. When he does it, it can open our offense up. Like to see him get his shooting pct up a few ticks also. His ft shooting is atrocious.

MullinsManiac · Post by **MullinsManiac** » Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:24 pm

That's the beauty of next year's team -- we can put on the floor a team to exploit any team's weakness. Some examples ...

Speed team: Chaz, Morgan, Farrell, Carter, Esho.

Height team: Morgan, Putney, Carter, Esho, Bergantino

3-point shooting team: Chaz, Morgan, Farrell, Putney, Vinson

Penetration team: Chaz, Morgan, Putney, Carter, Vinson

Post-up team: Farrell, Riley, Putney, Vinson, Lalanne

kdogg8173 · Post by **kdogg8173** » Thu Mar 29, 2012 7:00 am

Hopefully some weight will let Putney be a little more aggressive. For all times he had the ball in his hand, he only averaged a shade over 1 FTA per game. If he can get to the line more, watch out.

shovelhd · Post by **shovelhd** » Thu Mar 29, 2012 7:14 am

kdogg8173 wrote:Hopefully some weight will let Putney be a little more aggressive. For all times he had the ball in his hand, he only averaged a shade over 1 FTA per game. If he can get to the line more, watch out.

That's a great point. He's so athletic, he shuns the contact and too often gets called for the retaliatory or compensatory movement. He's no post player, but he could learn to take come contact and draw the foul.

uz2b-len · Post by **uz2b-len** » Thu Mar 29, 2012 7:39 am

Chris20 wrote:Javorn is like Gurley...next time he goes left will be the first. But like Anthony, he actually has a quick enough step that most guys don't stop it anyway. He just needs to finish more consistently.

I love that Jordan is lefty, but seems to have that righty tomahawk as his go-to jam.

No longer true about Javorn. He is developing his moves from the left and even scored a lefty lay up this year. Jordan had the rep in h.s. of only going left.

umass2msu · Post by **umass2msu** » Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:42 am

MullinsManiac wrote:That's the beauty of next year's team -- we can put on the floor a team to exploit any team's weakness. Some examples ...

Speed team: Chaz, Morgan, Farrell, Carter, Esho.

Height team: Morgan, Putney, Carter, Esho, Bergantino

3-point shooting team: Chaz, Morgan, Farrell, Putney, Vinson

Penetration team: Chaz, Morgan, Putney, Carter, Vinson

Post-up team: Farrell, Riley, Putney, Vinson, Lalanne

Why wouldn't JL make your penetration team????? And even though he may not shoot a good pct, if there is four seconds left and I need a 3 I will give it to Riley due to quick release, range, and confidence to hit that shot.

utterlyoptimistic · Post by **utterlyoptimistic** » Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:51 am

^^^
Better question is why Cady isn't listed in any of those options.

Edit: nevermind I see him on the "post-up team" but oddly not on the"height team".

MullinsManiac · Post by **MullinsManiac** » Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:53 am

The newbies will have to work their way into these lineups. Yeah, I put Berg. on the height team, but you can easily sub Cady there.

I kept Freddie off the 3-pointer team due to lack of consistency, but he could easily slide in for Farrell or Jesse if he gets hot.

InnervisionsUMASS · Post by **InnervisionsUMASS** » Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:54 am

utterlyoptimistic wrote: but oddly not on the"height team".

Agreed. He'd clearly be interchangable with any of the Bigs there: Samp, Maxie or Tyler.