The rich get richer

iwearglovesndhat · Post by **iwearglovesndhat** » Mon Feb 18, 2013 3:21 pm

NilesGold wrote:
UMass1991 wrote:
NilesGold wrote:Nothing wrong with what Cal is doing and he's proven it can win a national championship, but he's walking a tightrope. He can't afford to have an off-year in recruiting, whether it be because he doesn't get the top recruits, or he does a poor job evaluating talent and his top recruits aren't immediate stars in college. Look at this year as a prime example, Kentucky had the #2 recruiting class in 2012, 3 top 15 players, one more top 40, but they're in danger of failing to make the NCAA tournament.
The other problem he has is this class is based on last yr's class leaving. Haven't looked at his roster, but in order to bring in these 5, he needs, at least, last yrs recruiting class to leave and they may not want to, except Noels, if they are projected to go 2nd RD or undrafted
You got me wondering, so I checked. Kentucky has 2 seniors on their roster right now, so in order for their 6 2013 recruits to come to Kentucky, it looks like they need 4 current players to leave after this year. I don't think they have 4 sure-fire 2013 1st round NBA picks on the team, but who knows.

Well, Noel, cauley-stein, poythress and goodwin are all first round picks if they chose to leave. Also, Harrow is leaving, whether he gets drafted or transfers, whatever, but yes those four I just listed are 4 first rounders.

DrG · Post by **DrG** » Mon Feb 18, 2013 3:38 pm

Berkman wrote:If the NCAA don't like what he is doing then they should change the rules and not allow the guys to leave after one year of college.

The one-and-done is not an NCAA rule, it's an NBA rule. If the NCAA tried to force college players to stay in college beyond one year, they'd probably face lawsuits up the yingyang.

NilesGold · Post by **NilesGold** » Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:25 pm

iwearglovesndhat wrote:Well, Noel, cauley-stein, poythress and goodwin are all first round picks if they chose to leave. Also, Harrow is leaving, whether he gets drafted or transfers, whatever, but yes those four I just listed are 4 first rounders.

ESPN says the same thing as you, those first 4 are top 20 picks, which I have to say was pretty surprising to me. For a team with that much NBA potential this year's Kentucky team was pretty underwhelming. Or is this year's draft class just really weak?

harbo · Post by **harbo** » Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:56 pm

All these first-rounders are taking playing time away from walk-on Brian Long who is 0-1 in his two appearances this season. However, to his credit, he does clap along during the team fight song.

harbo · Post by **harbo** » Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:14 pm

Just curious, if UMass was in a position to be doing this one-year revolving door thing, would you enjoy it? Sure, being an annual favorite for the Final Four would be cool, but the downside of a disappointingly mediocre season (such as this year's UK team which is currently 1/2 game ahead of UMass' record) isn't much fun.

Personally, I like watching the development of the players (and the hand-wringing over those perceived to be underachieving) and would tire of the revolving door. Obviously, I'd like to see a consistent visit to the Tourney, but I also like getting to know the players, applaud the random player who earns an early exit, and always look forward to the hope of "next year".

iwearglovesndhat · Post by **iwearglovesndhat** » Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:19 pm

NilesGold wrote:
iwearglovesndhat wrote:Well, Noel, cauley-stein, poythress and goodwin are all first round picks if they chose to leave. Also, Harrow is leaving, whether he gets drafted or transfers, whatever, but yes those four I just listed are 4 first rounders.
ESPN says the same thing as you, those first 4 are top 20 picks, which I have to say was pretty surprising to me. For a team with that much NBA potential this year's Kentucky team was pretty underwhelming. Or is this year's draft class just really weak?

Well Noel is now injured which really hurts, but they don't really play well together. They started to get hot until Noel got injured and Florida ate their lunch. But also, this draft class is "historically weak" from what I've read in articles. and yes they say "historically weak"

InnervisionsUMASS · Post by **InnervisionsUMASS** » Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:10 pm

harbo wrote:All these first-rounders are taking playing time away from walk-on Brian Long who is 0-1 in his two appearances this season. However, to his credit, he does clap along during the team fight song.

It was pretty awesome when Coach Cal wished me Happy Birthday last year

SignMan · Post by **SignMan** » Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:21 pm

DrG wrote:
Berkman wrote:If the NCAA don't like what he is doing then they should change the rules and not allow the guys to leave after one year of college.
The one-and-done is not an NCAA rule, it's an NBA rule. If the NCAA tried to force college players to stay in college beyond one year, they'd probably face lawsuits up the yingyang.

Isn't it an NBA age gig...you have to be a minimum age to play in the NBA; so, if you finish HS/Prep too young you cannot go pro...so those kids do the 1/done?

tmac14 · Post by **tmac14** » Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:18 am

SignMan wrote:
DrG wrote:
Berkman wrote:If the NCAA don't like what he is doing then they should change the rules and not allow the guys to leave after one year of college.
The one-and-done is not an NCAA rule, it's an NBA rule. If the NCAA tried to force college players to stay in college beyond one year, they'd probably face lawsuits up the yingyang.
Isn't it an NBA age gig...you have to be a minimum age to play in the NBA; so, if you finish HS/Prep too young you cannot go pro...so those kids do the 1/done?

Pretty sure you have to be one year removed from high school, regardless of age. What you choose to do in that year is up to you.

Swampy · Post by **Swampy** » Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:36 am

Call me crazy but I don't give two shits what KY is doing. I didn't like them before Calipari got there and his being there hasn't changed my opinion much.

I'm with harbo on this one, I like watching the players grow (or not) for three or four or five years.

nale · Post by **nale** » Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:53 am

harbo wrote: Personally, I like watching the development of the players (and the hand-wringing over those perceived to be underachieving) and would tire of the revolving door. Obviously, I'd like to see a consistent visit to the Tourney, but I also like getting to know the players, applaud the random player who earns an early exit, and always look forward to the hope of "next year".

I too enjoy watching players develop over the years. It is one of my favorite parts of following UMASS basketball.

One and done only works it you get the best players in the country each year.

As far As Cal 's one and done plan it works when he has a great PG.
And that is his problem this year the UK PG will not be a top NBA pick, unlike his previous one and dones, Derrick Rose, John Wall, Tyreke Evans, Brandon Knight and Marguis Teague. Cal's dibble drive offense needs a great PG to run at its full potential.

Jackman · Post by **Jackman** » Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:20 pm

Calipari is on public record as supporting a move away from "one-and-dones" if the NCAA passes appropriate legislation. With his network, salesmanship and Kentucky's resources behind him he'll beat you at recruiting no matter where the NCAA moves the goalline. He's always been an unapologetic pragmatist who wrings every last advantage from the rules. That's his job when he's on the court, and he practices the same policy off the court.

MJatUM · Post by **MJatUM** » Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:40 pm

Berkman wrote:If the NCAA don't like what he is doing then they should change the rules and not allow the guys to leave after one year of college.

Or they should make it so you can go right from High School... This rule could potentially (Read: will) cost Nerlens Noel Millions upon Millions of dollars.

UmAstudent · Post by **UmAstudent** » Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:47 pm

I follow Kentucky very closely because I grew up a fan of UMass starting around 88 when he started at UMass(I was 5). Kentucky still may get 2 more McDonalds All Americans who have yet to pick a school. They are in the running for 3 of the top 10 players still undecided. They can take 2 of them with the current projection of 4 players leaving early. They only have 9 true scholarship players on the roster this season. They gave scholarships to a couple walk on's from previous years because they weren't using them this season. Currently Cal does not have a 5 star player coming in at every position. He has 1 PF 2 SG 1 C and 1 PG. He is in the running for the number 1, 3, and 4 over per ESPN rankings and already singed 5, 6, 7, 11, and 18. This years class will go down as the best recruiting class in the history of NCAA basketball. He will make the fab 5 look like chumps. I cant wait to see what his team is like next season when he actually has 12 players and doesn't have to play a 6/7 man rotation. Coach Cals goal is to have an undefeated season and next year might be his time.

UmAstudent · Post by **UmAstudent** » Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:50 pm

MJatUM wrote:
Berkman wrote:If the NCAA don't like what he is doing then they should change the rules and not allow the guys to leave after one year of college.
Or they should make it so you can go right from High School... This rule could potentially (Read: will) cost Nerlens Noel Millions upon Millions of dollars.

The rule wont cost Noel anything. He will still get drafted in the top 3 after this season and he will spend the first 25% of the season rehabbing with an NBA team instead of college. He wouldn't have gone right to the pros after high school anyway. The kid has very little offensive game at the moment and his D, though strong, wasn't viewed on the same level as Anthony Davis coming out of high school. Cal really helped this kid a lot over the season.