COACHING SEARCH 2014

Chris20 · Post by **Chris20** » Sat Dec 28, 2013 5:16 pm

Not as bad as you make it out.

njumass08 · Post by **njumass08** » Sat Dec 28, 2013 5:20 pm

Oh man Ron, no, please no!!

More from Nate Jackson's book. http://www.amazon.com/Slow-Getting-Up-S ... B00BATG1AS

Regarding Mangini's Browns team.

To a man, the entire Browns team seems to be deep in despair. There is a natural slugishness that occurs during training camp, but this is something different. The men seem positively broken. They have no fight left in them. The locker room is quiet, so quiet. Cleveland is a mausoleum. That night at my first team meeting, I learn why.
Mangini presses play on the video system and footage of the morning's warm-ups comes onto the screen. He launches into a biting critique of each player's warm-up performance, excoriating certain players for not having a sense of urgency during the drills, and referring again and again to the mantras that are written in big block letters around the facility. "You must choose, the pain of discipline or the pain of regret" "Every battle is won before it is ever fought" "Don't sacrifice what you want most for what you want now". And on the training room wall, "Durability is more important than Ability." When the meeting breaks, I track down a fellow tight end. "Is he serious?" "Yes, dude. Dead serious."
Cleveland is hell. Practices are long and tense and confusing. Meetings are confusing. The players are depressed, myself included.

Does this remind you of anyone we've just gotten rid of???

We can't hire Mangini.

ShotPutNC · Post by **ShotPutNC** » Sat Dec 28, 2013 6:06 pm

My question on Mangini would be the recruiting chops, not the coaching. He's a bright guy but if players don't wanna play for him it is all for naught. I do think it is hazardous to take one stop on a coaches resume and assume that bears out for their entire career. It is hard or a coach making $1M a year to get a handle on guys making 5-10x what they make. Also, the NFL is a QB centric league and the browns never had one of note...

Ron Burgundy · Post by **Ron Burgundy** » Sat Dec 28, 2013 6:59 pm

I'm all for Whipple or Brown.... Both would be great fits. One more name to throw out, John Defilippo the Raiders QB coach....has obvious NFL experience and some time in college

vanmeter · Post by **vanmeter** » Sat Dec 28, 2013 10:46 pm

It will be interesting who is on the search committee when it is announced Monday. Mangini would be a nightmare.

An arrogant coach who has failed in 2 spots.

Refuse2Lose83 · Post by **Refuse2Lose83** » Sat Dec 28, 2013 11:36 pm

So what are the names people have heard or names people are saying are real candidates out side of Whipple and Brown?

njumass08 · Post by **njumass08** » Sat Dec 28, 2013 11:49 pm

I think just the ones that have been mentioned here. Ambrose, Defilippo, and Mangini.

chapter 11 · Post by **chapter 11** » Sun Dec 29, 2013 3:07 am

would like to wrap this up before O'Brien leaves Penn State and Texas hires a new coach. Keep the carousel quiet.

Refuse2Lose83 · Post by **Refuse2Lose83** » Sun Dec 29, 2013 7:31 am

Considering O'brien could be gone as early as Monday or Tuesday I don't think that is happening. We probably haven't even started interviews.

Swampy · Post by **Swampy** » Sun Dec 29, 2013 9:27 am

^ Or, they already had their guy lined up before they pulled the plug on Charley.

Camby4Life · Post by **Camby4Life** » Sun Dec 29, 2013 10:57 am

I hope that is the case swampy. As far as these book quotes on mangini, not trying to defend the guy, but if they wrote a book about every college and pro football coach, there would be close to a 100% chance you would be able to find negative quotes from at least one former player considering how big football rosters are and the battles that take place to start and survive.

njumass08 · Post by **njumass08** » Sun Dec 29, 2013 11:31 am

More about how much the players hated Mangini.

From the NY Daily News about his time with the Jets.

It's always dangerous when players make like the munchkins in "The Wizard of Oz" and start singing "Ding, dong, the witch is dead," when the tyrannical coach gets fired and management hires an easy-going replacement who makes football fun again. That is usually just a coverup for not accepting responsibility for past failures.
But in this case, Woody Johnson fired Mangini to let his franchise breathe.
From the very top, and we mean Johnson, down to the last man on the practice squad, Mangini suffocated the organization with his paranoia, micromanaging, secrecy and lack of personality. "(The players) really didn't like Mangini. He was disciplined to a fault, he took all the fun out of football."

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/footb ... z2osjD9qIx

More from Nate Jackson about Mangini in Cleveland.

Mangini's football IQ is through the roof. His attention to detail is legendary, but—at least as of last summer—he had zero understanding of his audience. Getting the most out of a professional athlete does not involve filling his head with useless facts and statistics and probabilities, and filling him with fear of what may happen if he forgets them. When I was in Cleveland, I saw an extremely talented football team—big, fast, strong athletes who were in great physical shape—who hated playing football there. All of them did. The facility was newly remodeled, outfitted with high ceilings and industrial steel. It felt cold. People walked around that place as if they were shuffling through a mausoleum. Players looked emotionally drained. Granted, it was training camp. Training camp is hard wherever you are. But these men were not just weak of body, they were weak of spirit, having been stripped of their manhood almost daily as Mangini tried to create 53 perfect cyborg football players. The psychology goes like this: Players used to love the game. They enjoyed their talent and had high self-esteem. If a coach comes along who makes them feel insecure and paranoid, they begin to hate the game. Then they begin to hate the man who made them hate the game. When they hate the man, they hate his agenda. His agenda, in this case, is an impersonal obsession with winning a football game, with (the perception is) little respect for the players who are doing the winning. The result: a player who doesn't care whether his team wins or loses. And it happens constantly. http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sp ... ngini.html

Hiring Mangini would be worse than hiring Charley again.

DPBOS · Post by **DPBOS** » Sun Dec 29, 2013 11:39 am

Icanoutreboundwalter wrote:Ambrose has less downside than a Neal Brown (who I do like) because he's actually been the head man and done it, albeit at a lower level. He's dying for his D1 shot, and while this isn't ideal, he was around for part of UConn's growth, so he sort of knows what he's getting into. The big downside on him is that he is known as being a tad abrasive, and he's relied heavily at Towson on D1 academic rejects, many from his former home at UConn.

Others probably have more direct knowledge of Ambrose, but on top of some borderline academic recruits or transfers hasn't he heavily depended on BCS transfers and been reported to be more than just a "tad abrasive" with players and coaches alike? Correct or not, existing contacts with Caret may not hurt his chances.

Camby4Life · Post by **Camby4Life** » Sun Dec 29, 2013 11:45 am

So nj, what are your thoughts on mangini? I can't figure out if you really like him or not. Please post more quotes from Nate Jackson's book.

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Sun Dec 29, 2013 11:58 am

So, looks like everybody is supporting w/Mangenius. In that case, we should be able to wrap this up by NYE.