Coach Joe Harasymiak

[Floyd]

This could be the biggest rebuild in the history of college football. It's not gonna happen in a year or two, and does the administration have the patience?
How did things get so bad?

So we get back on the "need patience" merry-go-round?

Then what that doesn't work, we start all over again.

Never suggested that, just asked the question. My thoughts on the whole new stadium idea is to first see if we can get the on field issues improved with Coach Joe ( who I think deserves a legit shot with legit resources) or another staff, before shelling out millions. Players & staff win games, not the stadium. If on field results dont happen, then pivot before wasting millions. Seems like the relationship between the top of the department and the coaches we've had that had any success here was strained, which says something

[minutefanjsf]

This could be the biggest rebuild in the history of college football. It's not gonna happen in a year or two, and does the administration have the patience?
How did things get so bad?

So we get back on the "need patience" merry-go-round?

Then what that doesn't work, we start all over again.

Never suggested that, just asked the question. My thoughts on the whole new stadium idea is to first see if we can get the on field issues improved with Coach Joe ( who I think deserves a legit shot with legit resources) or another staff, before shelling out millions. Players & staff win games, not the stadium. If on field results dont happen, then pivot before wasting millions. Seems like the relationship between the top of the department and the coaches we've had that had any success here was strained, which says something

Need better facilities and game day to attract players. Better facilities and environment, look at coastal Carolina as an example, allows for lower payment for players. We have to pay much more for players because playing in Amherst blows. Can’t skimp on either. Investing in a stadium tells recruits UMass is serious and not going to fold. Players. Do not want to go to place that might not exist anytime soon.

[Floyd]

Agree to an extent. Right now a new stadium won't happen overnight so I'd think its all about talent on the field right now to get some momentum. Not trying to argue but the only leverage UMass has right now is put the money into players & staff and sell the idea of being part of the rebuild like Calipari did. That's where administration comes in

I could be totally wrong but I think it would be a hard sell to the state government to fund a new stadium based on the current state of the program

[Berkman]

Evidently you have not read about having to replace the southwest dorms. Included in that write up was a proposal to upgrade the stadium and increase the seating to 25,000.

[minutefanjsf]

Agree to an extent. Right now a new stadium won't happen overnight so I'd think its all about talent on the field right now to get some momentum. Not trying to argue but the only leverage UMass has right now is put the money into players & staff and sell the idea of being part of the rebuild like Calipari did. That's where administration comes in

I could be totally wrong but I think it would be a hard sell to the state government to fund a new stadium based on the current state of the program

Calipari also could sell the Mullins center coming online. The school needs a lot more housing and needs to replace or rebuild southwest. Supposedly there is a big chunk of money to invest in the school. Athletics needs to get its share. I think they need to do both in terms of investing in players and facilities. That is the “overspend”.

[Steve81]

Agree to an extent. Right now a new stadium won't happen overnight so I'd think its all about talent on the field right now to get some momentum. Not trying to argue but the only leverage UMass has right now is put the money into players & staff and sell the idea of being part of the rebuild like Calipari did. That's where administration comes in

I could be totally wrong but I think it would be a hard sell to the state government to fund a new stadium based on the current state of the program

Calipari also could sell the Mullins center coming online. The school needs a lot more housing and needs to replace or rebuild southwest. Supposedly there is a big chunk of money to invest in the school. Athletics needs to get its share. I think they need to do both in terms of investing in players and facilities. That is the “overspend”.

Believe Cal said getting Jim McCoy was the first piece. But with the long red tape of Massachusetts and UMass, do need to start early, but player talent and depth is an immediate need.

[minutefanjsf]

Agree to an extent. Right now a new stadium won't happen overnight so I'd think its all about talent on the field right now to get some momentum. Not trying to argue but the only leverage UMass has right now is put the money into players & staff and sell the idea of being part of the rebuild like Calipari did. That's where administration comes in

I could be totally wrong but I think it would be a hard sell to the state government to fund a new stadium based on the current state of the program

Calipari also could sell the Mullins center coming online. The school needs a lot more housing and needs to replace or rebuild southwest. Supposedly there is a big chunk of money to invest in the school. Athletics needs to get its share. I think they need to do both in terms of investing in players and facilities. That is the “overspend”.

Believe Cal said getting Jim McCoy was the first piece. But with the long red tape of Massachusetts and UMass, do need to start early, but player talent and depth is an immediate need.

Yes. In terms of players McCoy was the first piece. Calipari recruited under recruited guys he knew fit his style and he could develop because he knew how to evaluate talent. Coach Joe spent 2 million on this roster and publicly touted his analytics saying the DB guys were too small, etc. DBs teams didn't win the amThat is the opposite of what Cal did. Coach Joe missed big time on evaluating talent. Coach Joe had more money than most of the MAC and couldn't assemble a team to beat Bryant or score a touchdown against NIU. Cal also had the Mullins Center project planned and budgeted and construction began in his second (maybe third?) year. So, until Joe shows he can evaluate talent, spending the money on tangible improvements to the infrastructure is a safe bet. The extra million in NIL will get a bunch of guys with FBS measurables that can't succeed/produce unless coach Joe learns or hires a talent evaluator. Calipari's had two NBA players over his tenure. One McDonald's AA. Cal got them to overachieve. Coach Joe has coached guys to underachieve. Hairston has regressed, for example.

[Steve81]

Calipari also could sell the Mullins center coming online. The school needs a lot more housing and needs to replace or rebuild southwest. Supposedly there is a big chunk of money to invest in the school. Athletics needs to get its share. I think they need to do both in terms of investing in players and facilities. That is the “overspend”.

Believe Cal said getting Jim McCoy was the first piece. But with the long red tape of Massachusetts and UMass, do need to start early, but player talent and depth is an immediate need.

Yes. In terms of players McCoy was the first piece. Calipari recruited under recruited guys he knew fit his style and he could develop because he knew how to evaluate talent. Coach Joe spent 2 million on this roster and publicly touted his analytics saying the DB guys were too small, etc. DBs teams didn't win the amThat is the opposite of what Cal did. Coach Joe missed big time on evaluating talent. Coach Joe had more money than most of the MAC and couldn't assemble a team to beat Bryant or score a touchdown against NIU. Cal also had the Mullins Center project planned and budgeted and construction began in his second (maybe third?) year. So, until Joe shows he can evaluate talent, spending the money on tangible improvements to the infrastructure is a safe bet. The extra million in NIL will get a bunch of guys with FBS measurables that can't succeed/produce unless coach Joe learns or hires a talent evaluator. Calipari's had two NBA players over his tenure. One McDonald's AA. Cal got them to overachieve. Coach Joe has coached guys to underachieve. Hairston has regressed, for example.

Since our entire FBS run, have looked at our lines compared to other teams, including this year. The defense looks especially small compared to the opposing teams offensive line. Regarding Coach Joe, will give him a pass for last year as most first year coaches. Time will tell, but think he was one of the best available that would take a job at UMass. Thin Temples and old Delaware guy would have always picked Temple over us.

[minutefanjsf]

Believe Cal said getting Jim McCoy was the first piece. But with the long red tape of Massachusetts and UMass, do need to start early, but player talent and depth is an immediate need.

Yes. In terms of players McCoy was the first piece. Calipari recruited under recruited guys he knew fit his style and he could develop because he knew how to evaluate talent. Coach Joe spent 2 million on this roster and publicly touted his analytics saying the DB guys were too small, etc. DBs teams didn't win the amThat is the opposite of what Cal did. Coach Joe missed big time on evaluating talent. Coach Joe had more money than most of the MAC and couldn't assemble a team to beat Bryant or score a touchdown against NIU. Cal also had the Mullins Center project planned and budgeted and construction began in his second (maybe third?) year. So, until Joe shows he can evaluate talent, spending the money on tangible improvements to the infrastructure is a safe bet. The extra million in NIL will get a bunch of guys with FBS measurables that can't succeed/produce unless coach Joe learns or hires a talent evaluator. Calipari's had two NBA players over his tenure. One McDonald's AA. Cal got them to overachieve. Coach Joe has coached guys to underachieve. Hairston has regressed, for example.

Since our entire FBS run, have looked at our lines compared to other teams, including this year. The defense looks especially small compared to the opposing teams offensive line. Regarding Coach Joe, will give him a pass for last year as most first year coaches. Time will tell, but think he was one of the best available that would take a job at UMass. Thin Temples and old Delaware guy would have always picked Temple over us.

Why does he get a pass for this year? We are slow and lack talent. He chose players that he wanted. They spent 2 million on this roster. I haven’t seen much improvement or development of any players.

[stevemaz]

Yes. In terms of players McCoy was the first piece. Calipari recruited under recruited guys he knew fit his style and he could develop because he knew how to evaluate talent. Coach Joe spent 2 million on this roster and publicly touted his analytics saying the DB guys were too small, etc. DBs teams didn't win the amThat is the opposite of what Cal did. Coach Joe missed big time on evaluating talent. Coach Joe had more money than most of the MAC and couldn't assemble a team to beat Bryant or score a touchdown against NIU. Cal also had the Mullins Center project planned and budgeted and construction began in his second (maybe third?) year. So, until Joe shows he can evaluate talent, spending the money on tangible improvements to the infrastructure is a safe bet. The extra million in NIL will get a bunch of guys with FBS measurables that can't succeed/produce unless coach Joe learns or hires a talent evaluator. Calipari's had two NBA players over his tenure. One McDonald's AA. Cal got them to overachieve. Coach Joe has coached guys to underachieve. Hairston has regressed, for example.

Since our entire FBS run, have looked at our lines compared to other teams, including this year. The defense looks especially small compared to the opposing teams offensive line. Regarding Coach Joe, will give him a pass for last year as most first year coaches. Time will tell, but think he was one of the best available that would take a job at UMass. Thin Temples and old Delaware guy would have always picked Temple over us.

Why does he get a pass for this year? We are slow and lack talent. He chose players that he wanted. They spent 2 million on this roster. I haven’t seen much improvement or development of any players.

The injuries played a big part so I can see giving him a pass but with a short leash. Again, 75% of NIL money needs to go to lineman.

[jjmc85]

Yes. In terms of players McCoy was the first piece. Calipari recruited under recruited guys he knew fit his style and he could develop because he knew how to evaluate talent. Coach Joe spent 2 million on this roster and publicly touted his analytics saying the DB guys were too small, etc. DBs teams didn't win the amThat is the opposite of what Cal did. Coach Joe missed big time on evaluating talent. Coach Joe had more money than most of the MAC and couldn't assemble a team to beat Bryant or score a touchdown against NIU. Cal also had the Mullins Center project planned and budgeted and construction began in his second (maybe third?) year. So, until Joe shows he can evaluate talent, spending the money on tangible improvements to the infrastructure is a safe bet. The extra million in NIL will get a bunch of guys with FBS measurables that can't succeed/produce unless coach Joe learns or hires a talent evaluator. Calipari's had two NBA players over his tenure. One McDonald's AA. Cal got them to overachieve. Coach Joe has coached guys to underachieve. Hairston has regressed, for example.

Since our entire FBS run, have looked at our lines compared to other teams, including this year. The defense looks especially small compared to the opposing teams offensive line. Regarding Coach Joe, will give him a pass for last year as most first year coaches. Time will tell, but think he was one of the best available that would take a job at UMass. Thin Temples and old Delaware guy would have always picked Temple over us.

Why does he get a pass for this year? We are slow and lack talent. He chose players that he wanted. They spent 2 million on this roster. I haven’t seen much improvement or development of any players.

Agreed. Team is objectively worse than it was last few years even though it has the advantage of conference affiliation. Team is in the MAC and needs to be held to a higher standard-including coaching. Getting worse this year is unacceptable.

[Berkman]

I don't think a lot of you guys are being fair to coach H.

He only got hired in Dec so really how much time did he have to check out the recruits that were available. He never had a practice before he had to pick his players. Now that he has had most of the season to date he knows where his weakness are and I am sure that he is going to address those area's. Next year at this time we will know if he is the right coach for the job. Probably will have at least 4 wins at this time next year.

[photoman]

I'm not against giving him another year, but when you say "he knows where his weakness are" that's a pretty easy thing to know. Are there really any strengths? Are there 6 players on this roster you couldn't live without next season? It needs an almost total rebuild....yet again.

[minutefanjsf]

I don't think a lot of you guys are being fair to coach H.

He only got hired in Dec so really how much time did he have to check out the recruits that were available. He never had a practice before he had to pick his players. Now that he has had most of the season to date he knows where his weakness are and I am sure that he is going to address those area's. Next year at this time we will know if he is the right coach for the job. Probably will have at least 4 wins at this time next year.

He gets paid over a million dollars and had arguably the most NIL money in the MAC for this year. Yes, he was hired in December. He was hired early because we fired DB early. I”m not calling for him to get shitcanned right away. I do not give him a pass/mulligan on this year, either though. Yes there were a lot of injuries. He didn’t use any of the money to build depth. He has not addressed the glaringly horrible play calling of his OC. This is the worst team in FBS football this year and possibly the last 20 years. He was brought in to win now. That was what we were all sold. This team is worse than every iteration of UMass football since the jump up if not ever. There is no way he gets a “pass”.

[eldonabe]

I don't think a lot of you guys are being fair to coach H.

He only got hired in Dec so really how much time did he have to check out the recruits that were available. He never had a practice before he had to pick his players. Now that he has had most of the season to date he knows where his weakness are and I am sure that he is going to address those area's. Next year at this time we will know if he is the right coach for the job. Probably will have at least 4 wins at this time next year.

He gets paid over a million dollars and had arguably the most NIL money in the MAC for this year. Yes, he was hired in December. He was hired early because we fired DB early. I”m not calling for him to get shitcanned right away. I do not give him a pass/mulligan on this year, either though. Yes there were a lot of injuries. He didn’t use any of the money to build depth. He has not addressed the glaringly horrible play calling of his OC. This is the worst team in FBS football this year and possibly the last 20 years. He was brought in to win now. That was what we were all sold. This team is worse than every iteration of UMass football since the jump up if not ever. There is no way he gets a “pass”.

You make a lot of good points.... I think everyone expected some semblance of stability if not a little improvement from last year and it was the polar opposite of that.

He does not get a pass, and the leash on next season is definitely shorter than it was originally.