Ryan Bamford

[eldonabe]

Eldon, really going back in time with that worse ever list. Maybe we can narrow it down to ‘BCS’ era. But I do recall those Temple 90’s teams. That has always been my worst team ever comp.

The Umass 2019 is right there but that one win really gives them some credit. That defense was all time bad but at least the offense put up some points.

I typed into the google machine and that is what it spit out.

It is an intersting conversation though..... Having a histiically bad season is one thing, but just being a bad program over a number of years in a row is another story.

That Temple team was bad for 3 or 4 years if I remember correctly. Umass has been bad since Whip left. So that's been 9 years or so. You could argue that Brown closed the GAP from bottom of the barrel to the bottom 5, but that is still pretty shitty. How would you like the be Army... the only halfway decent win this program has had in 6 years.

Something has to give ... the law of averages says they cannot stay this bad for much longer... even a win or two by accident has to happen, doesn't it?

We can talk about timing of hire and exodus of players last year all we (Steve) want to. How does that explain the previous 9 years of ineptitude? It doesn't. There is one common denominator - HE HAS TO GO.

Not being with not a preferred conference, but being without any conference.

OF coarse my rant about Thorr's thread in UM General Sports.
This thread belongs in the same home as the Thorr thread! The Thorr thread belongs here OR this thread should be moved!

I don't have to tell you who this is.....

YEAR / AFFILIATION / WINS

2018 Conf 1
2019 Conf 2
2020 Indy but no games 0
2021 Indy 1
2022 Indy 6
2023 Indy 3
2024 Indy 9
2025 Indy 7 (so far)

[Steve81]

I know many of you throw up your hands at the results to date and ask, why bother. Where do you expect UMass to be in 5 years if we stayed in a revenue limited A10. Winning the conference, which is something we have not done since Cal was the coach 3 decades ago.

I throw up my hands that basketball has every financial opportunity to succeed being in the best available basketball conference for decades. UMass pays the basketball coach $782,005 more than the head football coach. Even with all the fanfare of the major investments in football. The truth is when we pay the head basketball coach $782,005 more than football head coach, UMass is sending a sign that football is second class in Athletics. That is a strong head wind that will take time to overcome.

Where will revenue come from funding the NCAA settlement and fund NIL? The A10 provided 1M total with everything. The MAC's 13-year-old contract used here pays over 3M and soon to go over 4M. That increase is where the NIL money is coming from and you should be thankful, we have football, especially in a major Flagship institution. If you heart is not with football, can't expect you to support it. But I don't expect trying to minimize it as Mike Fret. Placing Thorr's thread in the Other Sports / General UM Athletic Discussion thread and not the Ryan Bamford's thread. Because it agrees with his heart. He loves basketball, name the site UMassHoops. He does not appreciate football becoming a first-class sport with UMass Athletics.

UMass Men’s Basketball Head Coach Francisco (Frank) Martin held onto the title of the highest-paid state employee for the third consecutive year, with a salary of $2,004,060.

UMass Chan Medical School Chancellor Michael Collins ranked second, earning $1,241,074, while UMass Head Football Coach Joseph Harasymiak came in third with a salary of $1,222,055.

[eldonabe]

The Hoop / Football salaries are all over the place

Arkansas: Hoops $8M Football $6.4M
UCLA: Hoop $6.1M Football $3M
Michigan: Hoop $4.6M Football $6.1M
UConn: Hoops $5.1 Football $1.8M
Florida Hoops $2M Football $10M
NC State - they make about the same
ND : Hoops $3.7 Football $7.3



There is more to it than what you are paying the coaches .... you do not seem to want to grasp or acknowledge that. Again - how do you explain INDEPENDENT Uconn..... Hoops coach is making 2.5 times Football coach and they seem to be doing OK?

This program is being run with incompetent administrators - If Thorr can carry this without any fucking help he should be the Administrator of the century - cuz the only way this gets better is if he does it all alone.

FIRE THE FUCKING AD so we can start making actual progress....

[Steve81]

UConn being in the Big East and National Champions explains the BB salary. While football is also second class at UConn, it knows a Power conference invite is dependent on football. Therefore, they are spending 50% more than UMass. 50% higher is not an insignificant amount. It was 1M higher in past years. That's alot more and not a FCS size spend as UMass. It will take time and it is time to treat football as a first class sport with other sports. UConn was in a power conference, built a new stadium and has recent and past success. It takes time to see fruits of investments.

Can not say we had recent success or ever had Big East money. The A10 revenue was terrible in comparison and the MAC will be much better. Give time, investing generally does not happen over night, especially with a first year coaching staff, that did not have a full recruiting time at UMass.

My whole post was an answer to our lack of success. It's because since going FBS, we treated football as a second class sport. What did you expect for results, magic.

[inthescoop]

^Football was treated as a second class sport at UConn, and they’ve had tremendous progress since Jim Mora. You say we should always do things different but then you support Bamford the guy leading the decisions. Logic? None

[PreecherJenkins]

Eldon, really going back in time with that worse ever list. Maybe we can narrow it down to ‘BCS’ era. But I do recall those Temple 90’s teams. That has always been my worst team ever comp.

The Umass 2019 is right there but that one win really gives them some credit. That defense was all time bad but at least the offense put up some points.

I typed into the google machine and that is what it spit out.

It is an intersting conversation though..... Having a histiically bad season is one thing, but just being a bad program over a number of years in a row is another story.

That Temple team was bad for 3 or 4 years if I remember correctly. Umass has been bad since Whip left. So that's been 9 years or so. You could argue that Brown closed the GAP from bottom of the barrel to the bottom 5, but that is still pretty shitty. How would you like the be Army... the only halfway decent win this program has had in 6 years.

Something has to give ... the law of averages says they cannot stay this bad for much longer... even a win or two by accident has to happen, doesn't it?

We can talk about timing of hire and exodus of players last year all we (Steve) want to. How does that explain the previous 9 years of ineptitude? It doesn't. There is one common denominator - HE HAS TO GO.

Not being with not a preferred conference, but being without any conference.

OF coarse my rant about Thorr's thread in UM General Sports.
This thread belongs in the same home as the Thorr thread! The Thorr thread belongs here OR this thread should be moved!

you seriously complaining about where a thread is listed? Come on Steve, who cares.

[eldonabe]

Actually any thread that even hints of football should be in a trash can group.

[Steve81]

you seriously complaining about where a thread is listed? Come on Steve, who cares.

Potential recruits will visit this forum, but will almost never go to Other Sports / UM Athletic General discussions.

So negative stuff about the AD, who is general in charge of UMass Athletics goes here.
The most positive recent news to address football with Thorr's hire is hidden from recruits in a different forum.

[InnervisionsUMASS]

[TheInsider]

Pretty sure this thread isn't doing anywhere near the damage that is happening on regional radio or national TV right now.

[InnervisionsUMASS]

Pretty sure this thread isn't doing anywhere near the damage that is happening on regional radio or national TV right now.

I'd argue that Ryan Bamford himself is doing more damage than this thread, regional radio or national TV combined.

[eldonabe]

Pretty sure this thread isn't doing anywhere near the damage that is happening on regional radio or national TV right now.

I'd argue that Ryan Bamford himself is doing more damage than this thread, regional radio or national TV combined.

It seems the only person you would have to argue with on that point is Steve....

[Juice Stand]

If you're making your decision on where to play football based on what a few fans are saying on a message board instead of actual football decisions, like the coach, the facilities, dining, education, etc., then you're probably too thin skinned and not cut out for competitive football.

[eldonabe]

If you're making your decision on where to play football based on what a few fans are saying on a message board instead of actual football decisions, like the coach, the facilities, dining, education, etc., then you're probably too thin skinned and not cut out for competitive football.

In this new FBS / NIL era kids are going places based on Money (mostly) 1st and winning (mostly) 2nd ....

There is a parallel here which I like to refer to as the "Kapernik Rule" - in non specific terms it is a mathematical equation which measures the cost benefit of things.

Kapernik had one magical season where he somehow lead SF to the Superbowl. That gave him some rope to be disruptive - in other words he was worth the headache. But he declined quite a bit after that season, and the amount of headache SF was willing to absorb dropped in kind to the point that he was not even worth a Minimum salary for the PR headaches he would bring to the team.

In our case, if any player is good enough to get paid to play FBS, there is going to be some level of measurement of team success versus how fat the paycheck is. In other words ..... Umass loses all ties. That means that Umass needs to pay up which then means they have less for the rest. If they have less, they will not be able to accumulate as many players decent enough to improve under normal circumstances- which then limits chances of winning - which then limits the odds of the decent players coming back so you start again from scratch.... wash, rinse, repeat.....


I hate to say it, but they need to take every cent they "committed" to that shitty stadium over the next three years, put those plans on hold, and sink every penny into NIL for 2 years. The stadium is not going to be improved enough to matter a single fuck in that time, and they desperately need to pay up to get some players who are able to win a few games a year in said stadium.

[Juice Stand]

^ok? What does that have to do with what I said? Of course NIL is a big factor. The discussion is about whether this message board is disruptive to recruiting. My point was that this message board is a non-factor, and if it is then the player is probably too weak mentally for FBS football.

In the grand scheme of things, I agree. Put your money into building a roster. The stadium, unfortunately, will have to wait.