Conference Realignment

[InnervisionsUMASS]

What fact checking? Moving to the MAC all sports at the time was not a viable option. Get over it. We are all on the same fucking team here.

[Steve81]

What fact checking? Moving to the MAC all sports at the time was not a viable option. Get over it. We are all on the same fucking team here.

You know the fact checked here. Saying false things it would cost us more money, when outlined that it is currently costing us over 1M not being in the MAC and if we ever make it to the NCAA after a 10 years absence it would be a push. We are in the A10 because we value the A10 being a better than the MAC. Overall the MAC does not have the depth or the number of top teams as the A10, but the A10 has been sliding downhill since 2014 and had a single bid as the MAC in the NCAA in 2023. Hope the A10 and we reverse that negative trend. Know it gives your so called team solace posting negative things about the football performance. Also hope that changes.

You don't like posting facts and can't prove overall they are not true. Instead you deflect and attack me. I want the best for UMass but have a different opinion than you and others. I'm part of the vocal minority.

"Geographically speaking, the cost/benefit was and still is not there to go FULL MAC for all sports". <-- This lie is from the UMass Basketball Establishment

A10 teams with MAC like distance totals 10 teams.
Davidson
Dayton
Duquesne
George Mason
GW
Loyola
Richmond
St Bonaventure
St. Louis
VCU
RI, Fordham, LaSalle and St. Joseph are shorter, but it's a small number that can be offset with the out of conference schedules. UMass football travel expense was 300k less while in the MAC so there is negligible dollars regarding travel.

Last years attendance proves winning matters the most. It's painful to post last years attendance numbers.

Regarding not qualifying for NCAA credits bonus share in the A10 is 25% share out of the 15 teams would be 108k and the MAC 33.3% share of say 14 teams would be 59k. (Used 13 credits going back 6 years and zero for 2020 and 5 credit for the MAC at about 500k per NCAA credit.)

The Media contract of 5M A10 cut is 333.3k and the MAC 10M assuming UMass and team 14 add zero value would be 714k

CFP leaving out APR wash and assuming UConn is not independent would be around 700k and MAC teams 2M.

UMass would get 1.3M more in the MAC for CFP share.
UMass would get more in the MAC for media contract, 380.7k less unknown ESPN money for carrying UMass football.
UMass would get 59k less in the MAC in NCAA credits.

Total dollars do not add up in the MAC, is pure fabrication propaganda.

We are in the A10 because we value it being a better conference and it is NOT a financial reason.

[InnervisionsUMASS]

You know the fact checked here. Saying false things it would cost us more money, when outlined that it is currently costing us over 1M not being in the MAC and if we ever make it to the NCAA after a 10 years absence it would be a push. We are in the A10 because we value the A10 being a better than the MAC. Overall the MAC does not have the depth or the number of top teams as the A10, but the A10 has been sliding downhill since 2014 and had a single bid as the MAC in the NCAA in 2023. Hope the A10 and we reverse that negative trend. Know it gives your so called team solace posting negative things about the football performance. Also hope that changes.

You don't like posting facts and can't prove overall they are not true. Instead you deflect and attack me. I want the best for UMass but have a different opinion than you and others. I'm part of the vocal minority.

You continue to make my point over and over again. You're the only one turning this into an "Us vs Them" thing.


I want us in a fucking FBS conference more than most associated with UMass. That's the only fact necessary. I don't need to shit on people who like UMass Basketball or Hockey or Softball or University Child Care Center Staff Soccer squad to argue that fact.

[Steve81]

You know the fact checked here. Saying false things it would cost us more money, when outlined that it is currently costing us over 1M not being in the MAC and if we ever make it to the NCAA after a 10 years absence it would be a push. We are in the A10 because we value the A10 being a better than the MAC. Overall the MAC does not have the depth or the number of top teams as the A10, but the A10 has been sliding downhill since 2014 and had a single bid as the MAC in the NCAA in 2023. Hope the A10 and we reverse that negative trend. Know it gives your so called team solace posting negative things about the football performance. Also hope that changes.

You don't like posting facts and can't prove overall they are not true. Instead you deflect and attack me. I want the best for UMass but have a different opinion than you and others. I'm part of the vocal minority.

You continue to make my point over and over again. You're the only one turning this into an "Us vs Them" thing.


I want us in a fucking FBS conference more than most associated with UMass. That's the only fact necessary. I don't need to shit on people who like UMass Basketball or Hockey or Softball or University Child Care Center Staff Soccer squad to argue that fact.

Like an honest point of view and understand your view being a former high school basketball player.

[Steve81]

Shizzle87, a UConn fan posts his weekly domino outlook and thankful, does not have UConn going to the BigXII.

The next dominoes (May 25 edition)
The Pac-12 as we know it is dead. A suitable TV deal is not coming any time soon, and the league is running out of time.

The first defection will be Colorado. The second will be Arizona. Both head to the Big 12. Sometime around these defections, the Big 12 brass decides it would like to get to 16 and stop. As the Big 10 tells Oregon and Washington to wait (at best), those two skip Arizona State and Utah in line for a Big 12 invite.

The four defections leave the Pac-12 with six members: Cal, Stanford, Utah, Arizona State, Washington State, and Oregon State. The league decides to get back to 10. The four chosen schools are SDSU, Colorado State, SMU, and Rice.

As the Big 12 is done expanding and UConn remains in the Big East, Gonzaga seeks an invitation from the Big East. Although it has been reported in the past that some league administrators are hesitant on the Zags (Matt Brown), the league decides to add Gonzaga to get to 12 and help further increase value in the league's new TV deal.

The AAC then takes a shot at the MW. The former courts Air Force and this time is successful in poaching the Falcons. The AAC calls Army, and the latter agrees to join the league if the Army-Navy game is a non-league game played on its regular time and weekend. The league also extends an Olympic sports invite to VCU. The Rams accept.

The MW is now down to 9 schools. The league gets to 10 by adding UTEP.

C-USA responds to the defection by adding Tarleton State.

After the defection of Gonzaga, the WCC adds Grand Canyon and Seattle to get to 10.

Although the WAC loses three schools, the league decides to stay at 8.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-970700.html

[ZooMass84]

You know the fact checked here. Saying false things it would cost us more money, when outlined that it is currently costing us over 1M not being in the MAC and if we ever make it to the NCAA after a 10 years absence it would be a push. We are in the A10 because we value the A10 being a better than the MAC. Overall the MAC does not have the depth or the number of top teams as the A10, but the A10 has been sliding downhill since 2014 and had a single bid as the MAC in the NCAA in 2023. Hope the A10 and we reverse that negative trend. Know it gives your so called team solace posting negative things about the football performance. Also hope that changes.

You don't like posting facts and can't prove overall they are not true. Instead you deflect and attack me. I want the best for UMass but have a different opinion than you and others. I'm part of the vocal minority.

You continue to make my point over and over again. You're the only one turning this into an "Us vs Them" thing.


I want us in a fucking FBS conference more than most associated with UMass. That's the only fact necessary. I don't need to shit on people who like UMass Basketball or Hockey or Softball or University Child Care Center Staff Soccer squad to argue that fact.

OK the old CPA is going to "add his 2 cents"......forget the money aspect of the MAC vs. the A-10. it's pennies!!!! It's not like we're talking SEC money. I just don't think being an FBS indy is viable for the long term. That's all. At some point we join a conference or just drop back down to FCS or drop the sport altogether.

[ZooMass84]

We're basically screwed!!!! If UConn jumps to the Big 12 (good chance it happens) then we are the ONLY independent left. (Army and ND are eternally all set). Hate to say this.........we will have one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel. I hope we don't go the way of Idaho and voluntarily drop back down to 1AA.

Yes correctly.

Geographically speaking, the cost/benefit was and still is not there to go FULL MAC for all sports. NOBODY wants this football program. They need wins desperately, and other than "tuna can" FCS opponents there are not many if any on the schedule - and even those tuna cans are no guarantee.

I think it is fair to say Umass looks like it is starting to move in the right direction, but when you are moving ahead at 5MPH and everyone else is at 10MPH, you are still losing ground.

Umass needs to win
Umass needs players to win
Umass needs to win to attract players

Umass needs a conference
Umass needs to win
Umass needs players to win
Umass needs to win and a conference to attract players

UMass needs a stadium that is not from the 1960s
Umass needs a conference
Umass needs to win
Umass needs players to win
Umass needs to win and a conference and a stadium to attract players

Umass needs support from the state (Specifically the legislature)
UMass needs a stadium that is not from the 1960s
Umass needs a conference
Umass needs to win
Umass needs players to win
Umass needs to win and a conference and a stadium and support from the legislature to attract players

this is definitely "chicken or egg thing". I'm OK with the legislature support. We're 67th in National Universities. The endowment is 1/2 billion. no worries.

[ZooMass84]

What fact checking? Moving to the MAC all sports at the time was not a viable option. Get over it. We are all on the same fucking team here.

Moving to the MAC all sports at the time was not a viable option

yes it was. We had an invite then that we are desperately trying to get back. NO ONE wants this football program now. 3 wins in 4 years??? are you shitting me? If we don't get 2 wins this season, then I'd be comfortable with dropping back down to FCS or just bag the whole thing. We have 4 home games out of 5 games in the beginning of the season games 3 thru 7 that are taylor-f'ing-made!!! Merrimack is an NEC school..........let's leave it at that.

[InnervisionsUMASS]

What fact checking? Moving to the MAC all sports at the time was not a viable option. Get over it. We are all on the same fucking team here.

Moving to the MAC all sports at the time was not a viable option

yes it was. We had an invite then that we are desperately trying to get back. NO ONE wants this football program now. 3 wins in 4 years??? are you shitting me? If we don't get 2 wins this season, then I'd be comfortable with dropping back down to FCS or just bag the whole thing. We have 4 home games out of 5 games in the beginning of the season games 3 thru 7 that are taylor-f'ing-made!!! Merrimack is an NEC school..........let's leave it at that.

It was not a viable option then. Temple screwed us... we were never going to accept a full invite to the MAC then.

And we're not desperately trying to go to the MAC. We're trying to go to ANY fucking FBS conference that will take us. What's so god damn hard about this?

[Steve81]

Guys, Shizzle gave us an idea and optimistic that 5 factors will help with a conference home.
1. In the next 3 years, media contracts will be negotiated for several conferences, sparking movement and opportunities.
2. Have a lot of faith that in 3 years Don Brown can get us in very good shape.
3. The changes in the portal rules allow us to replace players that enter and not count towards the 25 limit. We have never been at the 85 limit, which hurts in depth and second halves.
4. There is a lot of talent entering the portal each year with the change of not having to sit out a year for non-grad students.
5. If it's a conference affiliation, we'd be flexible giving up fair share money.

Believe Don Brown and UMass will surprise to the upside giving us the opportunity, but having a partner helps.
Have lost faith in UConn being that partner as their fans only talk about P5 conferences. But Shizzle suggestion regarding Army gives pause. They would be the partner that the AAC would consider for a move back in the NE and perhaps UMass could be their partner for a conference affiliation. Army also schedules a lot of MAC teams. What if Army like the other academies decides their is benefits being in a G5 conference, could we be partners?

[Quinn]

Given the state of the A10...

* From a competitive level...
* The loss of top rival Temple in 2012...
* And the travel costs due to the conference ranging from Chicago to Rhode Island to Davidson, NC (A10 conference map)...

It does make little sense to not be in the MAC for all-sports. At least being in the MAC would give the football program some consistency to improve and position itself for an AAC replacement spot in the next decade. It's not an option in the current situation being a 1-11 independent.

As for basketball, the A10 has been trending downward for sometime.

Is it the same collective level as the MAC? No, it's better. But at this point, does that matter? We aren't talking about a UConn situation where UMass is passing on the Big East for MAC...they made the right move because their basketball program is a different level.

[ZooMass84]

Given the state of the A10...

* From a competitive level...
* The loss of top rival Temple in 2012...
* And the travel costs due to the conference ranging from Chicago to Rhode Island to Davidson, NC (A10 conference map)...

It does make little sense to not be in the MAC for all-sports. At least being in the MAC would give the football program some consistency to improve and position itself for an AAC replacement spot in the next decade. It's not an option in the current situation being a 1-11 independent.

As for basketball, the A10 has been trending downward for sometime.

Is it the same collective level as the MAC? No, it's better. But at this point, does that matter? We aren't talking about a UConn situation where UMass is passing on the Big East for MAC...they made the right move because their basketball program is a different level.

AMEN!!!! it gives the football program some consistency..........that's the crux of the whole argument. UMass still hasn't made up its mind what it wants to be when it grows up. Wasn't it Chancellor Lombardi who said "UMass is too big to be small and too small to be big?". We have the National Championship in hockey and as far as I'm concerned that makes us immortal. Besides, my son wants to go to a P5 school like UCLA or Cal-Berkley so I'm a happy camper.

[Quinn]

Guys, Shizzle gave us an idea and optimistic that 5 factors will help with a conference home.
1. In the next 3 years, media contracts will be negotiated for several conferences, sparking movement and opportunities.
2. Have a lot of faith that in 3 years Don Brown can get us in very good shape.
3. The changes in the portal rules allow us to replace players that enter and not count towards the 25 limit. We have never been at the 85 limit, which hurts in depth and second halves.
4. There is a lot of talent entering the portal each year with the change of not having to sit out a year for non-grad students.
5. If it's a conference affiliation, we'd be flexible giving up fair share money.

Believe Don Brown and UMass will surprise to the upside giving us the opportunity, but having a partner helps.
Have lost faith in UConn being that partner as their fans only talk about P5 conferences. But Shizzle suggestion regarding Army gives pause. They would be the partner that the AAC would consider for a move back in the NE and perhaps UMass could be their partner for a conference affiliation. Army also schedules a lot of MAC teams. What if Army like the other academies decides their is benefits being in a G5 conference, could we be partners?

Army has repeatedly turned down the AAC.

[Steve81]

True, but the AAC is now more southern based and weaker. My impression is that Army likes to go down south, not so much for recruiting to the academy but for soldiers. Perhaps a ND type of affiliation with the MAC would be possible and much similar to keep their yearly bowl game. Plus CFP money will be increasing with the expanded College Playoff Championship. The amount of money in the original deal was big for G5 conferences that gave up some voting power. It made it a no brainer for the MAC not to share with UMass and out the door we went.

Idk if they'd consider the MAC as they were in CUSA and decided it was to hard to compete and left.

[ZooMass84]

Guys, Shizzle gave us an idea and optimistic that 5 factors will help with a conference home.
1. In the next 3 years, media contracts will be negotiated for several conferences, sparking movement and opportunities.
2. Have a lot of faith that in 3 years Don Brown can get us in very good shape.
3. The changes in the portal rules allow us to replace players that enter and not count towards the 25 limit. We have never been at the 85 limit, which hurts in depth and second halves.
4. There is a lot of talent entering the portal each year with the change of not having to sit out a year for non-grad students.
5. If it's a conference affiliation, we'd be flexible giving up fair share money.

Believe Don Brown and UMass will surprise to the upside giving us the opportunity, but having a partner helps.
Have lost faith in UConn being that partner as their fans only talk about P5 conferences. But Shizzle suggestion regarding Army gives pause. They would be the partner that the AAC would consider for a move back in the NE and perhaps UMass could be their partner for a conference affiliation. Army also schedules a lot of MAC teams. What if Army like the other academies decides their is benefits being in a G5 conference, could we be partners?

Army has repeatedly turned down the AAC.

Army doesn’t need the AAC or any other conference. They are federally funded and supported. We need a conference be it the MAC or any other conference.