KAEO: Tre Mitchell

[Worcester_To_Amherst]

My gut is TB thinks he’s a better coach than MM and felt like Bamford should have canned MM to hire him. Since he only came to UMass in hopes of getting the HC job, he must feel that isn’t in the cards now and he and Tre are heading elsewhere, for whatever reason.

[JoleonLescottsHair]

2. The 5 guys in the Collegian article that are listed as possible transfers would have been candidates to transfer if Tre had stayed...

Meaning there is a better chance they stay now that he is leaving? Am I reading this correctly to suggest some guys weren’t thrilled with playing with Tre? Could you clarify? Thanks.

[TheChamp]

Well, Tony was still here so why couldn't he if he doesn't believe in MM?

1. Tre isn’t leaving because he is concerned about developing here.

2. The 5 guys in the Collegian article that are listed as possible transfers would have been candidates to transfer if Tre had stayed but Degray seemed to be close to Tre and Tony so that one is most likely to have had the most influence by this if it happens

I'm sorry but I'm calling bullshit. You said in your previous post "MM didn't lose the locker room."

Having 5 guys as "candidates to transfer," mostly Freshman mind you that the current head coach RECRUITED HIMSELF points to "losing the locker room" or whatever else the eff you want to call it. Especially when the program has been an absolute revolving door since the beginning of MM's tenure.

Yes, when half your roster wants to leave, that is called losing the locker room.

Good grief.

[Berkman]

I will add my 2 cents now. Tre has entered the transfer portal. That does not mean that he is definitely leaving but probably true. He could stay but there is not much of a chance for that.

We are not the only school to have players looking to transfer. There should be a lot of players leaving other schools that we could get to come to UMass. Just have to wait until everything shakes out

[Floyd]

Well, Tony was still here so why couldn't he if he doesn't believe in MM?

1. Tre isn’t leaving because he is concerned about developing here.

2. The 5 guys in the Collegian article that are listed as possible transfers would have been candidates to transfer if Tre had stayed but Degray seemed to be close to Tre and Tony so that one is most likely to have had the most influence by this if it happens

So I take that to mean Tre and RD3 leveraged Tony to upgrade his position since Bamford backed MM. Having Tre in your pocket was enough, but if DeGray and Tre are that close, having control over both of them is quite the hand.

[Quann]

I am sad because this could potentially mean other departures and another rough year, but TB and Tre can go fucking drop dead as far as I am concerned. Carl Pierre, Loe Roe, guys like that are the UMass greats. Tre is just another free agent in my book. Someone mentioned his contribution to UMass in another post. Horse shit. He didn’t lead the program to any glory in his 1.5 years all while getting himself a nice free ride and audition for his next stop. No Tre Mitchell jersey in our rafters. And, TB and his twitter grievance bride can just go about their little duplicity stroll and gravy train fest. People like that will hopefully eventually get what’s due.

Ryan Bamford or Matt McCall might deserve to get canned for any number of reasons, but they are 1000% right not to put the school at the mercy of some 20 year old and his fuckhead manager. I don’t give a shit how good a player he might be or what it means to the team’s prospects. You DO NOT run a department or institution like that. Anyone who thinks otherwise has been infected by the rot of AAU culture and and transfer portal bullshit.

Go Colgate, or any team out there with a group of 4 year players on its roster.

Extremely well said and exactly how I feel. We don’t know exactly what happened but from the outside it looks like Tony spearheaded this madness and if that’s the case for an assistant to do that to his own program is unforgivable. I don’t want weasels like that involved in the umass basketball program.

[TheChamp]

Extremely well said and exactly how I feel. We don’t know exactly what happened but from the outside it looks like Tony spearheaded this madness and if that’s the case for an assistant to do that to his own program is unforgivable. I don’t want weasels like that involved in the umass basketball program.

Who is responsible for that? The head coach. If you're going to point the finger at Tony you should also point the finger at the nimrod that willingly staked his entire program and fortunes on one sketchy coach and his girlfriend's son.

[MassDynasty321]

I am sad because this could potentially mean other departures and another rough year, but TB and Tre can go fucking drop dead as far as I am concerned. Carl Pierre, Loe Roe, guys like that are the UMass greats. Tre is just another free agent in my book. Someone mentioned his contribution to UMass in another post. Horse shit. He didn’t lead the program to any glory in his 1.5 years all while getting himself a nice free ride and audition for his next stop. No Tre Mitchell jersey in our rafters. And, TB and his twitter grievance bride can just go about their little duplicity stroll and gravy train fest. People like that will hopefully eventually get what’s due.

Ryan Bamford or Matt McCall might deserve to get canned for any number of reasons, but they are 1000% right not to put the school at the mercy of some 20 year old and his fuckhead manager. I don’t give a shit how good a player he might be or what it means to the team’s prospects. You DO NOT run a department or institution like that. Anyone who thinks otherwise has been infected by the rot of AAU culture and and transfer portal bullshit.

Go Colgate, or any team out there with a group of 4 year players on its roster.

You lost me at considering Carl Pierre as a UMass great. The guy was a solid player for 4 years - he never made an all conference team, and the team never won shit with him. I get it, he grew up in Boston, was underrecruited, and was a great representative of the university. But those factors equating to being a great is some serious low major shit. The path to national relevance is with a great coach, or with a disproportionate level of talent relative to the league. We don't have the former, so we absolutely should be trying to achieve relevance via the latter. The issue is that we don't have a program that can deliver upon what high level talent wants to achieve, and that falls solely on the shoulders of the head coach. Western Mass isn't exactly a hotbed of high D1 talent (and when it is, we lose people like Hason Ward to VCU), so the only way to get talented players locked in for a full 4 years is to have a coach and a program who enable them to grow, improve, and meet audacious goals. We've done absolutely nothing to demonstrate an ability to do that, so why would expect talented kids to stick around. Do you really think that Tre Mitchell has an equal chance of being a first round pick if he sticks around here vs plays in the Big 10 or ACC? I don't, so how could I possibly blame him for acting in his own self interest.

[TheOFFSeason]

2. The 5 guys in the Collegian article that are listed as possible transfers would have been candidates to transfer if Tre had stayed...

Meaning there is a better chance they stay now that he is leaving? Am I reading this correctly to suggest some guys weren’t thrilled with playing with Tre? Could you clarify? Thanks.

It means that DD and Kolten were possible transfers just from playing time alone.
Degray is from Colorado and often kids look to transfer closer to home.
Garcia would have poachers from higher level schools based on his potential and ability to athletically fit at a higher level.
McCrory was suspended at one point.
All of these situations could happen to any program but now that they officially don’t have to sit out it will be even more likely. None of it had to do with Tre.

[TheChamp]

2. The 5 guys in the Collegian article that are listed as possible transfers would have been candidates to transfer if Tre had stayed...

Meaning there is a better chance they stay now that he is leaving? Am I reading this correctly to suggest some guys weren’t thrilled with playing with Tre? Could you clarify? Thanks.

It means that DD and Kolten were possible transfers just from playing time alone.
Degray is from Colorado and often kids look to transfer closer to home.
Garcia would have poachers from higher level schools based on his potential and ability to athletically fit at a higher level.
McCrory was suspended at one point.
All of these situations could happen to any program but now that they officially don’t have to sit out it will be even more likely. None of it had to do with Tre.

Whose fault is it that the coach can't inspire his players to want to stay despite these very circumstances which every single program deals with too? Why is it that in 4 years of this head coach there has been a revolving door and a mass exodus multiple times? Why is it that we are seeing the very knock on McCall coming out of Chattanooga (he loses the locker room/revolving door) play out again, right in front of our eyes?

Hmmm... hmmm.... hmmm.. I don't know.... hmm. Could it be the guy at the top?!

[TheOFFSeason]

Well, Tony was still here so why couldn't he if he doesn't believe in MM?

1. Tre isn’t leaving because he is concerned about developing here.

2. The 5 guys in the Collegian article that are listed as possible transfers would have been candidates to transfer if Tre had stayed but Degray seemed to be close to Tre and Tony so that one is most likely to have had the most influence by this if it happens

So I take that to mean Tre and RD3 leveraged Tony to upgrade his position since Bamford backed MM. Having Tre in your pocket was enough, but if DeGray and Tre are that close, having control over both of them is quite the hand.

I don’t know if that scenario played out with Degray. I just think TB had a move which was based on Tre.
I haven’t talked to anyone but I posted a possibility to today’s scenario a couple of weeks ago in response to someone posting that the only way Tre would leave would be if TB got a head job somewhere. With transfers eligible immediately, and knowing the people involved, it wasn’t hard to see this was a possibility.

[PreecherJenkins]

If Tre goes to BC, what will the reaction of the last 50 UMass fans be?

[JoleonLescottsHair]

You lost me at considering Carl Pierre as a UMass great.

Yes, apparently I did. Whoosh!

[Merlin Samuels]

It’s baffling that nobody has mentioned that maybe Mitchell sees this as an opportunity to transfer to a program that can compete for a championship. A program which includes a stronger supporting cast while also facing stronger competition day in and day out.

Everybody is jumping to the conclusion that there is this mastermind in the shadows pulling the strings, like Mitchell doesn’t have a thought of his own in his head. What if he wants to get away and do his own thing?

[JoleonLescottsHair]

What if he wants to get away and do his own thing?

Well, if Tre leaves and TB stays we can all feel bad for misjudging the two. I’m betting against that happening.