Game 33, 2012-13: Stony Brook (NIT 1st Rd)

Anything and everything that is UMass Minutemen Basketball.
User avatar
xlgman
Hall of Fame
Posts: 4061
Joined: Wed Feb 04, 2004 8:59 pm

Post by xlgman » Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:12 pm

I'm pissed and disappointed and discouraged about the future. That was a horrible effort. We were fundamentally flawed in nearly every aspect of the game, we were unmotivated, undisciplined, and nearly unwatchable. I gave up on the idea they could win this game before the first half was over because it seemed obvious that they gave up on the season and just didn't care. I never, NEVER, thought I'd see this team quit but they did. They somehow convinced themselves that they got slighted by the lack of an NCAA bid and mailed it in. It's embarassing and fankly an insult to all the fans that have followed the team so closely and all the fans that showed up. I'm not sure I could be more disappointed in how the season just ended on our home floor. It all feels fraudulent right now.

The season just became a big disappointment for me because the tough, ballsy, never say die aspect of this team disappeared and without that aspect, the team is just blah and hard to root for.

But what really sets me off is DK's postgame interview. To me, he came off as not caring either. He should be pissed and call his team out for the lack of heart and lack of leadership. He should let it be known that he insists on 100% effort no matter what. You wear the uniform, so represent for chrissakes. But no, he's too intent on not hurting any feelings so he talks about how great it is that we've won some A10 tourney games recently and how we've got back to back 20 win, NIT seasons and we just need to keep working. Just come right out and say it - we didn't come to play tonight and it's very disappointing to see. If he's not completely disappointed then I question whether he is ever going to push this team hard enough to get us back to where we as fans want the team to go. If he's building high character men then they should be able to take some criticism for not bringing even their B game, let alone their A game.

I usually cool off after bad losses before I post but I just need to get it out of my system. Gonna go read a good book and try to forget what just happened.

:oops: :x :cry:
This is the most enjoyable losing season ever!

User avatar
Refuse2Lose83
Hall of Fame
Posts: 4823
Joined: Mon Sep 01, 2008 10:08 pm
Location: Western Mass

Post by Refuse2Lose83 » Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:13 pm

Was there absolutely little to no effort from the guys tonight? Yes. Were we terrible? Yes. Did Stony Brook shoot great? Yes. But SB's coach coached circles around DK tonight. He had a GREAT gameplan. They really packed in their defense and dared us to shoot the 3pt, and we played right into their hands. No sure why DK kept calling to isolations and hoping his guys could just beat their man off the dribble when SB had the lane packed with defenders. No movement, and absolutely to screens to get people open and the offense moving. Sad way to end a decent year.
Hire Matt McCall!

fenway617
Hall of Fame
Posts: 3368
Joined: Fri Mar 09, 2012 10:48 am
Location: Amherst, MA

Post by fenway617 » Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:35 pm

I hoped they wouldn't get off to a bad start and they didn't but then mid way through the half doom came in a 17-0 run and it was lights out. I had fun this season. I'm going to miss watching games this season but I am looking fdw to 2013/14. And there is still the tourney to get in to.

We sat just behind the UMass bench tonight, first row behind the hockey boards. After Chaz got hurt he was a few feet in front of us and he was in pain on the bench. The trainer was looking at him for a while. He tried ice on the shoulder but it wasn't helping he was still in pain. He went to the locker room with Pierre (the team doctor), when they both returned 15 min later I saw Pierre say to one of the coached "He is done". But it really didn't matter, with or with Chaz they were not coming back.

SB played a good solid game, their guards were nearly unstoppable. SB had so much more energy tonight. Only thing that kept UMass in the game as long as they did was SB missed free throws. SB now travels to Iowa who set an NIT record for a first round game in attendance with over 15K tonight.... tonight 2,173 people showed up, that is just 4 people more than who showed up for the AIC scrimmage game - basically the team tonight put as much effort into the game as the fans did. So at least SB can now play in front of a full house of fans.
I'm just tryin' to get by bein' quiet and shy In a world full of pushin' and shove...
-JB ^^

TheInsider
Hall of Fame
Posts: 4844
Joined: Wed Apr 23, 2003 9:12 am

Post by TheInsider » Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:01 pm

I think Kentucky should fire Cal immediately too. If most of the team just didn't want to be there, John wooden could have been on the bench with the same results. The bottom line is TV Chaz and a few others didn't care. When you have no depth, there's nothing you can do. The program is headed in the right direction. Games like this happen every year in the NIT. See us and Miss St last year.

User avatar
jj
The Dude
Posts: 1157
Joined: Tue Mar 11, 2003 11:17 pm
Location: Western MA

Post by jj » Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:11 pm

Sharksrule04 wrote:
njumass08 wrote:
farkdogg wrote:I'm glad our coach got our team to play motivated basketball today ... Another disappointing season. 15 and counting...
Oh yeah, definitely DK's fault that SB shot close to 70%, nailed almost every 3 (contested or not) and Chaz dislocated his shoulder. All DK's fault.

You anti-DK people really bug me.
Not DK's fault at all. I don't care who was coach, these players didn't care. Plain and simple. Barely any effort or hustle the entire game. They scored some easy points early and I think this lead them to believe they could win giving 50% effort. These are 18-22 year old kids. Only so much the coach can do to get them up for a game.
Bullshit. If you're DK, you see the writing on the wall in the second half. I'd bench my starters if I saw that type of apathy. Make a point. No coach needs to, or should accept that shit. You play hard, or you sit your ass down.

UMass87
Hall of Fame
Posts: 8249
Joined: Wed Apr 02, 2003 9:01 am

Post by UMass87 » Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:21 pm

I agree JJ. I'm just not sure who you put in. Chaz is out. So, you put Bergantino, LaLanne, Esho, Putney and Davis in? Personally, I would love to have seen Cady and Tyler in together but I doubt Cady had the legs to play any more than he did.

DK had the same problem tonight he had most of the season - he just didn't have the personnel to do what he needed to do. Part of that's on him and part is just bad luck.

User avatar
jj
The Dude
Posts: 1157
Joined: Tue Mar 11, 2003 11:17 pm
Location: Western MA

Post by jj » Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:32 pm

Nick, I'd play anyone that had a pulse at that point. I'd get the subs in the huddle and tell them that I didn't give a shit about the score for the rest of the night; you contest everything and work for me- work for YOU.

Mass Grad
Junior
Posts: 517
Joined: Thu Apr 03, 2003 8:22 am
Location: Weston Lakes, TX

Post by Mass Grad » Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:37 pm

Juice Stand wrote:Are we going to raise a banner for this ? I look forward to the day when I see it and look fondly back on the night when we got blown out by the Stony Brook Seawolves for their first ever postseason win in the first round at home.

By the way, what the heck is a seawolf ? I know what a sea lion is, and what a seahorse is. I've never heard of a seawolf until tonight.
A submarine, an ocean catfish, and locally in South America a South American Sea Lion. There is always next year. At least they were in the mix after living on the edge all year.

TruBluMaroon
Hall of Fame
Posts: 3794
Joined: Wed Apr 23, 2003 11:25 am

Post by TruBluMaroon » Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:37 pm

Just back from the game. Another lack of effort. 8 Free Throws and 26 3 pt fga. The top 3 scorers for SB had 56 points and we only forced them to commit 2 fouls. When we see a wall...we stop. Perhaps the DK loyalists can explain why the lack of effort. They are all his players recruited with his players. When will this change?

I hope those in attendance noticed the distance between the ball and our defenders in the last three minutes when we needed the ball to have a chance. Forcing a right handed dribbler to his right when he has just buried a jump shot goingto his right doesn't make sense.

UMass87
Hall of Fame
Posts: 8249
Joined: Wed Apr 02, 2003 9:01 am

Post by UMass87 » Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:42 pm

TruBluMaroon - I don't think lack of effort like we saw tonight was at all characteristic of this team this year. In fact, the one endearing characteristic of this team had been it's unwillingness to give up even when they were playing like crap (e.g. GW in Brooklyn). Tonight was not like anything I've seen from a UMass team since Lappas was fired as coach. It was embarrassing but I would call it uncharacteristic.

69MG
Hall of Fame
Posts: 13425
Joined: Sat Feb 05, 2011 11:07 pm
Location: Western Mass

Post by 69MG » Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:03 pm

I'm not going to read the posts on tonight's game as I'm sure everything has been covered, and frankly I saw it in person so I don't need to read about it.

This may be the first game I have been to where not 1 player had a good night. A few players were OK, but nobody was good. I hope Chaz will be OK, but it may be the worst I have ever seen him play. He turned the ball over on either 3 or 4 posessions in a row.

The most positive thing I saw tonight was 30 minutes before the game. The team was on the court shooting and JF was in sweats, running, jumping and shooting jump shots and layups with them. He did not look like a person who wasn't coming back.

Put a fork in this season, get the injured players healthy, and start recruiting for the class of 2014.

baseline47
Senior
Posts: 1364
Joined: Sun Feb 03, 2013 4:59 pm
Location: Amherst, MA

Mailing it in

Post by baseline47 » Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:08 pm

Hey UMass87, you must have missed the Butler game! First time this year >9,000 fans showed up to watch "their minutemen" who, unfortunately, like tonight, "mailed it in".

Butler, like Stony Brook, out hustled, outworked, outplayed them SBU and Butler players care more about about teamwork and winning; UMass players concentrate on their "stats", and there in lies the difference.

UMass and and Stony Brook should switch leagues - UMass to the Am. East Conf, where they might be competitive; SBU to the A10. SBU wants it more; and they have a good coach. We've got DK. I don't plan to watch him or his teams any more. A lot of fans leaving the Mullins Center tonight expressed that sentiment.

The Camby Man Can
Junior
Posts: 457
Joined: Fri Mar 15, 2013 11:29 pm
Location: Brooklyn

Post by The Camby Man Can » Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:13 pm

That lack of effort speaks volumes. For those that justify this performance are 100% delusional. Utterly pathetic.

Bottom line: the players should not have expected a ticket to the dance after this season. Vinson is a joke to say they got robbed. They got robbed? They lost to an inferior Bonny team (enough about how hard it is play to in Upstate NY, just get the W for crying out loud), they lose to GW at HOME, they got 100% outclassed by Butler at HOME (it wasn't even a game), the Temple game at home was a joke, and then proceeded to PISS DOWN their legs against VCU on a neutral court with 24 turnovers and an insatiable lack of desire to make a smart play in the back court. How about DK learns a press break offense during the offseason?!?!?

What is so weird about DK is that he is a point guard. Point guards run teams. He was a good point guard. Yet he looks like a chicken with his head cut off on the sideline. It is just incomprehensible. Then he has 14 assistant coaches who outnumber the players 2X1 on the bench. Limit your coaching staff to a few guys you trust and can rely on 100%. Enough with this 15 person coaching staff that has no cohesiveness. Lou Roe, the last guy on the bench, could put up 20 and 10 a night and probably out "x and o" DK based solely on Dks performance. It is just tiresome. Lou Roe, 100% stud.

Before being too negative, Chaz is the only guy that played with a set of peanuts night after night. And I will be honest. Chaz had some rough games, but I would ride and die with that guy as a Umass fan all day long. Esho rebounded like a warrior in crunch time in the a10 tourney and holds some promise. Other than that, I hope Gordon and Freeman bring some needed toughness to this program.

For the rest, who is a legitimate professional overseas? Vinson is not. Putney is definitely not. Samson Carter- No. Riley could find a home somewhere in a decent European league. I hope Tre proves me wrong but I have doubts. Ber

User avatar
DKera
Junior
Posts: 457
Joined: Sat Jan 26, 2013 10:38 am
Location: 237 Grantwood

Re: Mailing it in

Post by DKera » Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:19 pm

baseline47 wrote:Hey UMass87, you must have missed the Butler game! First time this year >9,000 fans showed up to watch "their minutemen" who, unfortunately, like tonight, "mailed it in".
There is no way you can compare the two games in terms of effort. Tonight was an abomination, it was painfully obvious that the majority of our players could not care less if they won or lost, it seemed they just wanted the season to be over with. The Butler game was a different story. Yes, DK was out-coached by Stevens, and yes, Butler got a million offensive rebounds that ended up killing us. They executed way better than us and completely took us out of the game. I disagree though when you say we "mailed it in" for the Butler game.

User avatar
njumass08
Hall of Fame
Posts: 5607
Joined: Thu Mar 01, 2007 1:06 am

Re: That's it, I'm done; I left early too!

Post by njumass08 » Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:19 am

baseline47 wrote:I'm not going to another game until Kellogg is fired. At best, he's a high school caliber coach, and has no business coaching in college. Except we pay him > $700K; so DK isn't going anywhere until he's shown the door.

UMass - the players thought they belonged in the Big Dance, but got blown out at home. They and Kellogg ought to be embarrassed.

Stony Brook out hustled, out worked, and out played us. Yeah, they made shots, but they were, for the most part, getting wide open looks. You have to want it to play defense, grab rebounds, get loose balls. kellogg failed to get his team ready.

Nothing like getting blown out by an American East team on your home court. Wouldn't be surprised if the A10 dropped us and picked up Stony Brook. They are that much better.
Troll

Post Reply