Forbes to the pros

MassMan06 · Post by **MassMan06** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:41 pm

ShadesOf96and98 wrote:
MassMan06 wrote:
ShadesOf96and98 wrote: Everyone and their mom was spewing all sorts of venom at the Sox brass for passing up the "home town kid!" and how they were gonna regret it blah blah blah and Torra has been an absolute bust and a half.
In 15 minor league starts this year he has a 2.84 ERA, including a 2.77 ERA so far in two starts at Triple A. Yea, he's been a bust and a half
17-17 professional record with a 4.56 ERA. Velocity down to high 80s and topping out at 91. Hasn't regained his sharp curve. the evidence is all there for him being exactly what the D'Backs wanted from their 2005 first round pick

Why does what he did in '05-'07 matter? If you told the D'Backs in '05 that three years from now he'd be pitching in Triple A with a sub 3.00 ERA in 15 starts between AA and AAA, do you think they'd be incredibly upset? Sorry guru, I know this is a Forbes thread, but stupidity drives me nuts.

Umass89 · Post by **Umass89** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:45 pm

..............all of which relates to Forbes going to the pros - how?

Sorry for Gary that his name didn't get called last night - hung in to the bitter end hoping the Celts would make the call.

Gary, you're a wildly talented guy - do not give up on your dream. Use this as fuel for the fire. I look forward to seeing you on an NBA court someday soon. All the best.

MassMan06 · Post by **MassMan06** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:47 pm

Used to be VOR wrote:
Here are some of the players that were chosen after Torra that year that have already made an impact at the MLB level....

Travis Buck, Luke Hochevar, Clay Bucholz, Jed Lowrie, Garret Olsen, Chase Headley

Ricky Romero (#6), Wade Townsend (#8), Andrew McCutchen (#11), Brandon Snyder (#12), Trevor Crowe (#14).......I can go on

All players drafted before Torra that haven't done anything in the Majors. Of course you're going to find people drafted later that have made it.

UMass1991 · Post by **UMass1991** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:05 pm

This is not a baseball thread

ShadesOf96and98 · Post by **ShadesOf96and98** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:11 pm

MassMan06 wrote: Why does what he did in '05-'07 matter? If you told the D'Backs in '05 that three years from now he'd be pitching in Triple A with a sub 3.00 ERA in 15 starts between AA and AAA, do you think they'd be incredibly upset? Sorry guru, I know this is a Forbes thread, but stupidity drives me nuts.

Awww, stupidity drives you nuts? that's so sad. i really apologize for violating your cradle of knowledge with my ignorance. i'll be sure to tap into your vast baseball intelligence before i ever classify a prospect a bust again, even if i'm pretty sure 91 hits and only 50 strikeouts in 79 innings with a 1.30 WHIP and a 5-5 record at Double A THIS YEAR classifies as not very good for a first round pick in his third year of pro ball.

And if you're this smart you shouldnt get on VOR for picking and choosing when you chose to highlight six players taken ahead of Torra who havent made it to make your point and there are at least 13 players on the same list who have made the bigs

say what you want in response and then take this to PM if you wanna continue this lame tangent

UMass87 · Post by **UMass87** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:18 pm

enough with the friggin board nannies already. If you can't follow the connection between Forbes not being chosen by the Celtics and Torra not being chosen by the Sox then let it go. Why do you think you need to impose your idea of what is appropriate? That's what Mike's for.

MassMan06 · Post by **MassMan06** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:22 pm

ShadesOf96and98 wrote:And if you're this smart you shouldnt get on VOR for picking and choosing when you chose to highlight six players taken ahead of Torra who havent made it to make your point and there are at least 13 players on the same list who have made the bigs

say what you want in response and then take this to PM if you wanna continue this lame tangent

Once again, after you get out of the top 10 (which puts him roughly in the middle of the remaining 40 players), 9 of 38 players had made it to the Majors by the end of last season. So less than 24% of those guys made it to the Bigs, and yet they set the bar??? Considering Torra is in the same boat as more than 3/4 of that group, I'd say he's not in terrible shape.

I'll follow up on your point in PM.

Chizzle · Post by **Chizzle** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:29 pm

Any predictions where he plays during the Summer League?

InnervisionsUMASS · Post by **InnervisionsUMASS** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:23 pm

UMass1991 wrote:This is not a baseball thread

Just thought I'd quote this incase once wasn't enough... sorry Mike!

SignMan · Post by **SignMan** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:49 pm

Balk!

Post by **MikeUMA** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 7:29 pm

No mas beisbol. Take it over to General.

Now we watch where Gary stamps his passport.

UmAstudent · Post by **UmAstudent** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 9:06 pm

MikeUMA wrote:No mas beisbol. Take it over to General.

Now we watch where Gary stamps his passport.

He will try the summer league first. May end up in the DL also

Zangzigger · Post by **Zangzigger** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 12:50 am

Some interesting facts about undrafted players in the NBA. Between 1991-2006, 1098 players made their debut while 327 (30%) of them were not drafted

http://dberri.wordpress.com/2007/07/26/ ... n-the-nba/

A bunch of players who were not drafted went on to have successful careers in the NBA. It's not the end of the world.

http://www.emptythebench.com/2007/03/23 ... 1990-2006/

Chizzle · Post by **Chizzle** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 9:34 am

He will play for MJ (Washington Wizards) during the summer. GOOD LUCK GARY!!!!

isithow? · Post by **isithow?** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 10:16 am

Chizzle wrote:He will play for MJ (Washington Wizards) during the summer. GOOD LUCK GARY!!!!

Too bad Jordan has nothing to do with the Wizards anymore though...