Game 32, 2022-23: St. Louis, A-10 Final (3/5)

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Re: Game 32, 2022-23: St. Louis, A-10 Finals (3/5)

Post by stevemaz » Sun Mar 05, 2023 2:54 pm

the one issue i have with Verde is his ridiculous strategy of only playing 7 when it is obvious we have a few others with the talent to play well. They looked ragged at the end.

This game goes to show you that every missed free throw matters.

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Re: Game 32, 2022-23: St. Louis, A-10 Finals (3/5)

Post by tdmass » Sun Mar 05, 2023 3:02 pm

Clearly SLU has jelled and are the best team in the A10 right now. It's too bad we picked a bad time to not play to our potential and earlier games they had some injuries, so they have nobody to blame. We'll see how resilient they are in the WNIT!

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Re: Game 32, 2022-23: St. Louis, A-10 Finals (3/5)

Post by kikoandjimmer » Sun Mar 05, 2023 3:31 pm

TruBluMaroon wrote: Sun Mar 05, 2023 2:26 pm Going 1-3 against the #2 and # 3 teams in your league is not an At-Large profile. St Louis doesn’t reach .500 until today’s win, so both losses were to a sub.500 team. Asked this the other day, will ask again; has UM beaten any team that will be in the NCAA Tournament? If the answer is no, why should they make it?
We beat Drake but lost 2 to slu, lost to Tennessee, lost to Missouri. Imo, no at large. Hopefully we bid to host WNIT to give Sam and Destiney more mullins games.

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Re: Game 32, 2022-23: St. Louis, A-10 Finals (3/5)

Post by kikoandjimmer » Sun Mar 05, 2023 3:54 pm

kikoandjimmer wrote: Sun Mar 05, 2023 3:31 pm
TruBluMaroon wrote: Sun Mar 05, 2023 2:26 pm Going 1-3 against the #2 and # 3 teams in your league is not an At-Large profile. St Louis doesn’t reach .500 until today’s win, so both losses were to a sub.500 team. Asked this the other day, will ask again; has UM beaten any team that will be in the NCAA Tournament? If the answer is no, why should they make it?
We beat Drake but lost 2 to slu, lost to Tennessee, lost to Missouri. Imo, no at large. Hopefully we bid to host WNIT to give Sam and Destiney more mullins games.
Also lost to Columbia

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Re: Game 32, 2022-23: St. Louis, A-10 Finals (3/5)

Post by Berkman » Sun Mar 05, 2023 4:01 pm

I talked to a friend of mine this morning and he said that the winner of the regular season has lost in the league tgournament for the last 6 yeats in a row. Today we made it 7 years.

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Re: Game 32, 2022-23: St. Louis, A-10 Finals (3/5)

Post by tdmass » Sun Mar 05, 2023 4:09 pm

^ The A10 jinx got us!

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Re: Game 32, 2022-23: St. Louis, A-10 Finals (3/5)

Post by stevemaz » Sun Mar 05, 2023 9:20 pm

need to get the hell out of the A10.. the league if fading..

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Re: Game 32, 2022-23: St. Louis, A-10 Finals (3/5)

Post by MikeUMA » Sun Mar 05, 2023 9:47 pm

stevemaz wrote: Sun Mar 05, 2023 9:20 pm need to get the hell out of the A10.. the league if fading..
OK, so you've identified a problem. What's the solution?

Seriously, where are we going to go? P5 conferences are not knocking on our door.

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Re: Game 32, 2022-23: St. Louis, A-10 Finals (3/5)

Post by GOODY » Sun Mar 05, 2023 10:10 pm

stevemaz wrote: Sun Mar 05, 2023 9:20 pm need to get the hell out of the A10.. the league if fading..
Agree 100 per cent Too many weak teams Conference Wins don’t help us that much

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Re: Game 32, 2022-23: St. Louis, A-10 Finals (3/5)

Post by GOODY » Sun Mar 05, 2023 10:11 pm

MikeUMA wrote: Sun Mar 05, 2023 9:47 pm
stevemaz wrote: Sun Mar 05, 2023 9:20 pm need to get the hell out of the A10.. the league if fading..
OK, so you've identified a problem. What's the solution?

Seriously, where are we going to go? P5 conferences are not knocking on our door.
Unfortunately Mike is correct

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Re: Game 32, 2022-23: St. Louis, A-10 Finals (3/5)

Post by kikoandjimmer » Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:05 am

GOODY wrote: Sun Mar 05, 2023 10:11 pm
MikeUMA wrote: Sun Mar 05, 2023 9:47 pm
stevemaz wrote: Sun Mar 05, 2023 9:20 pm need to get the hell out of the A10.. the league if fading..
OK, so you've identified a problem. What's the solution?

Seriously, where are we going to go? P5 conferences are not knocking on our door.
Unfortunately Mike is correct
I disagree with the original take about the conference. No matter what conference UMass would be in, they would not have a resume to make the NCAAW tournament as an at-large. Nothing against the team, I thought they could have made it out of the first weekend of NCAAW if they made it in but that was not in the cards this year.

The A10 has put multiple teams in, including last year when the Flyers went as a play-in team after we knocked them out of the A10 and won their play-in. In the 15 years that I have been a season ticket holder/attendee, the A10 even put in 3 teams once.

On the boards, people usually credit me with being one of the closest followers of the team. I don't know whether that is true, but I can say that if you look through past seasons threads (Say before 2020), we would never have dreamed of 3 straight postseasons (MIGHT have been 4 if we didnt have a COVID shortened 2020 season). Those Sharon Dawley years were so lean and we thought that nobody at UMass cared at all about women's basketball and we would just be saddled with her awful contract.

I'm go glad that we are now at a place where we are upset to make it to the WNIT. Expectations were so high at the beginning of the year with visions of a Top-25, maybe a Sweet Sixteen, etc. It is definitely hard to do that with the target on your back as the unanimous pre-season #1.

The solution is to keep scheduling good out of conference teams, continue to recruit and hope that others in the conference can continue to (re)build. We took a great step forward with our OOC this year, we just didn't get the end results. We were in most of the games most of the way. I think URI and Tammi Reiss can become perennial contenders, they just have to be able to play in "big" games which they haven't the past couple of years. SLU is in Year 1 of a rebuild after firing Lisa Stone and if this is what Year 1 looks like, they will be around for a while.

Still a lot to play for this year though, hope we can go to Mullins at least once more!

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Re: Game 32, 2022-23: St. Louis, A-10 Final (3/5)

Post by InnervisionsUMASS » Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:39 am

Needed to win out, or lose to URI in the Finals if we had a shot at the NCAAs. Even our AD was tweeting about the NIT yesterday after the loss. Very unfortunate.


They had their opportunities yesterday but just couldn't pull it together. Now it's time to put that aside and go win the next damn tournament!
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Re: Game 32, 2022-23: St. Louis, A-10 Finals (3/5)

Post by stevemaz » Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:07 am

MikeUMA wrote: Sun Mar 05, 2023 9:47 pm
stevemaz wrote: Sun Mar 05, 2023 9:20 pm need to get the hell out of the A10.. the league if fading..
OK, so you've identified a problem. What's the solution?

Seriously, where are we going to go? P5 conferences are not knocking on our door.
We are likley screwed hence my desperation topic of Marty Meehan getting involved. What could save us is the pending shakeup at the P5 level where i think Pac 12 loses schools forcing them to expand. A West/East Mountain West Conference could be in the cards and we would hiopefully be considered for that. That could keep us in the top 8 or 9 conferences with Power 5, Big East, AAC and I guess West coast (although something tells me Gonzaga & St Marys to Big East could happen).

I think the administration needs people like me.. forward thinking agressive crazy bastards..

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Re: Game 32, 2022-23: St. Louis, A-10 Finals (3/5)

Post by stevemaz » Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:11 am

kikoandjimmer wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:05 am
GOODY wrote: Sun Mar 05, 2023 10:11 pm
MikeUMA wrote: Sun Mar 05, 2023 9:47 pm

OK, so you've identified a problem. What's the solution?

Seriously, where are we going to go? P5 conferences are not knocking on our door.
Unfortunately Mike is correct
I disagree with the original take about the conference. No matter what conference UMass would be in, they would not have a resume to make the NCAAW tournament as an at-large. Nothing against the team, I thought they could have made it out of the first weekend of NCAAW if they made it in but that was not in the cards this year.

The A10 has put multiple teams in, including last year when the Flyers went as a play-in team after we knocked them out of the A10 and won their play-in. In the 15 years that I have been a season ticket holder/attendee, the A10 even put in 3 teams once.

On the boards, people usually credit me with being one of the closest followers of the team. I don't know whether that is true, but I can say that if you look through past seasons threads (Say before 2020), we would never have dreamed of 3 straight postseasons (MIGHT have been 4 if we didnt have a COVID shortened 2020 season). Those Sharon Dawley years were so lean and we thought that nobody at UMass cared at all about women's basketball and we would just be saddled with her awful contract.

I'm go glad that we are now at a place where we are upset to make it to the WNIT. Expectations were so high at the beginning of the year with visions of a Top-25, maybe a Sweet Sixteen, etc. It is definitely hard to do that with the target on your back as the unanimous pre-season #1.

The solution is to keep scheduling good out of conference teams, continue to recruit and hope that others in the conference can continue to (re)build. We took a great step forward with our OOC this year, we just didn't get the end results. We were in most of the games most of the way. I think URI and Tammi Reiss can become perennial contenders, they just have to be able to play in "big" games which they haven't the past couple of years. SLU is in Year 1 of a rebuild after firing Lisa Stone and if this is what Year 1 looks like, they will be around for a while.

Still a lot to play for this year though, hope we can go to Mullins at least once more!
keep in mind that if UMass was in a better conference we would have a better schedule and quite possibly better players..

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Re: Game 32, 2022-23: St. Louis, A-10 Finals (3/5)

Post by eldonabe » Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:16 am

MikeUMA wrote: Sun Mar 05, 2023 9:47 pm
stevemaz wrote: Sun Mar 05, 2023 9:20 pm need to get the hell out of the A10.. the league if fading..
OK, so you've identified a problem. What's the solution?

Seriously, where are we going to go? P5 conferences are not knocking on our door.

If UConn women's hoops could not get UConn into a P5, Umass women's hoops certainly is not either.

And FFS - UMass wanting to leave a conference and a conference wanting UMass to join it are 2 very different things.

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