UConn to Big East 2020

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Re: UConn to Big East 2020

Post by minutefanjsf » Fri Jul 05, 2019 8:46 pm

minutefanjsf wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2019 8:26 pm
ZooMass84 wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2019 12:15 pm
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Correction. We did not have a lot of 1AA players. Molnar cut them or got them to leave. We played true freshmen and transfers from the get go. That was one of the biggest mistakes he made.
My bad: are you saying 25-35 kids played the entire 2012 season instead of 85 players? Aren't you limited to 25 scholarships per year?
We didn’t have 85 scholarship players year one. Also, in the two deep, very few 1AA holdovers were listed and or played. Rob Blanchflower was the exception to the rule. We had a lot of PWO and true walk ones as well. https://umassathletics.com/roster.aspx? ... h=football Give the roster a look.
31 true freshmen, 10 redshirt freshmen and 3 grad transfers on the roster.

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Re: UConn to Big East 2020

Post by ZooMass84 » Sat Jul 06, 2019 9:05 am

minutefanjsf wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2019 8:46 pm
minutefanjsf wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2019 8:26 pm
ZooMass84 wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2019 12:15 pm

My bad: are you saying 25-35 kids played the entire 2012 season instead of 85 players? Aren't you limited to 25 scholarships per year?
We didn’t have 85 scholarship players year one. Also, in the two deep, very few 1AA holdovers were listed and or played. Rob Blanchflower was the exception to the rule. We had a lot of PWO and true walk ones as well. https://umassathletics.com/roster.aspx? ... h=football Give the roster a look.
31 true freshmen, 10 redshirt freshmen and 3 grad transfers on the roster.
That's what happens when you let an incompetent moron make all the decisions. Of course we got blown out in virtually every game!!! But Molnar did have those ridiculous tackling and fighting "drills" in the snow. Bur now we have a decent AD and HC.

UConn will not be able to schedule 12 games in 2020. I've reviewed the other 129 teams, and with the exception of Army, every body is full. Don't know if UConn will be able to survive as a FBS indie. I can actually see them dropping to 1AA.

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Re: UConn to Big East 2020

Post by McKinney » Sat Jul 06, 2019 11:26 am

ZooMass84 wrote: Sat Jul 06, 2019 9:05 am UConn will not be able to schedule 12 games in 2020. I've reviewed the other 129 teams, and with the exception of Army, every body is full. Don't know if UConn will be able to survive as a FBS indie. I can actually see them dropping to 1AA.
Schedules aren't set in stone until probably the offseason prior. UConn can still negotiate with teams. But they're probably going to get terrible deals at this point. Like very low payout, away-only type deals.

In the worst case scenario, per NCAA bylaws they only need to play a minimum of 5 home games and only a minimum of 60% of games must be against FBS opponents. So they could schedule up to 4 FCS teams for their home games. This might suck for UConn fans, but it is an "option".

UConn also has the option of delaying their entrance to the Big East until 2022. So (barring agreement) they could continue AAC membership if football scheduling required them to exercise that option.
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Re: UConn to Big East 2020

Post by ZooMass84 » Sun Jul 07, 2019 5:20 am

McKinney wrote: Sat Jul 06, 2019 11:26 am
ZooMass84 wrote: Sat Jul 06, 2019 9:05 am UConn will not be able to schedule 12 games in 2020. I've reviewed the other 129 teams, and with the exception of Army, every body is full. Don't know if UConn will be able to survive as a FBS indie. I can actually see them dropping to 1AA.
Schedules aren't set in stone until probably the offseason prior. UConn can still negotiate with teams. But they're probably going to get terrible deals at this point. Like very low payout, away-only type deals.

In the worst case scenario, per NCAA bylaws they only need to play a minimum of 5 home games and only a minimum of 60% of games must be against FBS opponents. So they could schedule up to 4 FCS teams for their home games. This might suck for UConn fans, but it is an "option".

UConn also has the option of delaying their entrance to the Big East until 2022. So (barring agreement) they could continue AAC membership if football scheduling required them to exercise that option.
If UConn doesn't join the Big East by 2020, then they will breech their contract with the Big East (and lose $3.5 million)

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Re: UConn to Big East 2020

Post by Steve81 » Sun Jul 07, 2019 8:52 am

ZooMass84 wrote: Sun Jul 07, 2019 5:20 am
McKinney wrote: Sat Jul 06, 2019 11:26 am
ZooMass84 wrote: Sat Jul 06, 2019 9:05 am UConn will not be able to schedule 12 games in 2020. I've reviewed the other 129 teams, and with the exception of Army, every body is full. Don't know if UConn will be able to survive as a FBS indie. I can actually see them dropping to 1AA.
Schedules aren't set in stone until probably the offseason prior. UConn can still negotiate with teams. But they're probably going to get terrible deals at this point. Like very low payout, away-only type deals.

In the worst case scenario, per NCAA bylaws they only need to play a minimum of 5 home games and only a minimum of 60% of games must be against FBS opponents. So they could schedule up to 4 FCS teams for their home games. This might suck for UConn fans, but it is an "option".

UConn also has the option of delaying their entrance to the Big East until 2022. So (barring agreement) they could continue AAC membership if football scheduling required them to exercise that option.
If UConn doesn't join the Big East by 2020, then they will breech their contract with the Big East (and lose $3.5 million)
Sorry, please read the contract and just a quick, quick glance and see language through 2021 and the 2022 year, as in 3g and knew UConn had time with all sports except FB and FB. The AAC contract requires 27 months notice for a 10M exit fee. More if earlier. People have speculated that it will be better to follow West Virginia's example and violate the 27 month waiting period because they will be in a better negotiation position. Then the conference will have to show that UConn ealy termination harmed the AAC. Time will tell but almost everyone thinks they will exit before the 27 months notice.
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Re: UConn to Big East 2020

Post by rsox1221 » Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:29 am

UConn is going to leave the AAC and join the BE as soon as they can. They are making this move for their hoop programs and Olympic sports and not because of football, so they aren't going to hang out in the AAC for two extra years so football can be better served.

UMass faced a very similar situation in Bamford's early tenure when in 2016 they had one home game on the schedule when they were headed to Indy status. You'll recall that UMass played six home games in 2016, and that one game they had scheduled (ironically UConn) wasn't even one of them.

UConn will do whatever they have to to get to a minimum of five homes games. Rob Peter to pay Paul, leverage their hoop programs, schedule multiple FCS games, etc. They'll figure it out.

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Re: UConn to Big East 2020

Post by ZooMass84 » Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:49 am

Steve81 wrote: Sun Jul 07, 2019 8:52 am
ZooMass84 wrote: Sun Jul 07, 2019 5:20 am
McKinney wrote: Sat Jul 06, 2019 11:26 am

Schedules aren't set in stone until probably the offseason prior. UConn can still negotiate with teams. But they're probably going to get terrible deals at this point. Like very low payout, away-only type deals.

In the worst case scenario, per NCAA bylaws they only need to play a minimum of 5 home games and only a minimum of 60% of games must be against FBS opponents. So they could schedule up to 4 FCS teams for their home games. This might suck for UConn fans, but it is an "option".

UConn also has the option of delaying their entrance to the Big East until 2022. So (barring agreement) they could continue AAC membership if football scheduling required them to exercise that option.
If UConn doesn't join the Big East by 2020, then they will breech their contract with the Big East (and lose $3.5 million)
Sorry, please read the contract and just a quick, quick glance and see language through 2021 and the 2022 year, as in 3g and knew UConn had time with all sports except FB and FB. The AAC contract requires 27 months notice for a 10M exit fee. More if earlier. People have speculated that it will be better to follow West Virginia's example and violate the 27 month waiting period because they will be in a better negotiation position. Then the conference will have to show that UConn ealy termination harmed the AAC. Time will tell but almost everyone thinks they will exit before the 27 months notice.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents ... tract.html
Well, it seems to be a valid contract: offer, acceptance, consideration, mutual ascent, etc. If I remember contact law correctly!!!!

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Re: UConn to Big East 2020

Post by ZooMass84 » Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:09 am

rsox1221 wrote: Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:29 am UConn is going to leave the AAC and join the BE as soon as they can. They are making this move for their hoop programs and Olympic sports and not because of football, so they aren't going to hang out in the AAC for two extra years so football can be better served.

UMass faced a very similar situation in Bamford's early tenure when in 2016 they had one home game on the schedule when they were headed to Indy status. You'll recall that UMass played six home games in 2016, and that one game they had scheduled (ironically UConn) wasn't even one of them.

UConn will do whatever they have to to get to a minimum of five homes games. Rob Peter to pay Paul, leverage their hoop programs, schedule multiple FCS games, etc. They'll figure it out.
OK, right now they have 2 home games: Us and Maine; let's say 3 more FCS teams at home, at Army, Hawaii is full at 13 games, at Arizona, at UCLA, at Oregon, at NMSU, where are the other 2 games? Don't think they go indy in 2020 in football.

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Re: UConn to Big East 2020

Post by rsox1221 » Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:16 pm

ZooMass84 wrote: Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:09 am
rsox1221 wrote: Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:29 am UConn is going to leave the AAC and join the BE as soon as they can. They are making this move for their hoop programs and Olympic sports and not because of football, so they aren't going to hang out in the AAC for two extra years so football can be better served.

UMass faced a very similar situation in Bamford's early tenure when in 2016 they had one home game on the schedule when they were headed to Indy status. You'll recall that UMass played six home games in 2016, and that one game they had scheduled (ironically UConn) wasn't even one of them.

UConn will do whatever they have to to get to a minimum of five homes games. Rob Peter to pay Paul, leverage their hoop programs, schedule multiple FCS games, etc. They'll figure it out.
OK, right now they have 2 home games: Us and Maine; let's say 3 more FCS teams at home, at Army, Hawaii is full at 13 games, at Arizona, at UCLA, at Oregon, at NMSU, where are the other 2 games? Don't think they go indy in 2020 in football.
This assumes that everything across CFB in the scheduling realm is set in stone for 2020 and that is not the case. I've mentioned this many times, it's not official until a school announces it. To that point you mention NMSU, they actually just announced their 2020 schedule so it's very unlikely UConn gets in there (but there technically is still time).

Per FBSchedules, UConn actually has three home games in 2020, UMass, Maine, and Indiana. They also have one on the road at Illinois. So they only need eight more games, with a minimum two of those at home.

UConn could try and get teams that are currently set to play each other to cancel that game and both play the Huskies instead. They are likely going to have a minimum of two FCS games at home, perhaps more. They'll have to figure out a way.

They can strike deals where teams push out existing games to play UConn instead. UConn's hoop programs are going to be key in this regard because if they are going for P5/HM opponents, having UConn hoop available to play a game against the same school is a plus.

UConn is not leaving the AAC on good terms. The AAC is not happy about it, and as such they aren't going to do UConn any favors. They'll want them gone just as quickly as UConn wants to be gone. The Huskies want to get into the Big East ASAP for a number of reasons, and they will do what they need to in order to make that happen.

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Re: UConn to Big East 2020

Post by ZooMass84 » Sun Jul 07, 2019 7:18 pm

rsox1221 wrote: Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:16 pm
ZooMass84 wrote: Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:09 am
rsox1221 wrote: Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:29 am UConn is going to leave the AAC and join the BE as soon as they can. They are making this move for their hoop programs and Olympic sports and not because of football, so they aren't going to hang out in the AAC for two extra years so football can be better served.

UMass faced a very similar situation in Bamford's early tenure when in 2016 they had one home game on the schedule when they were headed to Indy status. You'll recall that UMass played six home games in 2016, and that one game they had scheduled (ironically UConn) wasn't even one of them.

UConn will do whatever they have to to get to a minimum of five homes games. Rob Peter to pay Paul, leverage their hoop programs, schedule multiple FCS games, etc. They'll figure it out.
OK, right now they have 2 home games: Us and Maine; let's say 3 more FCS teams at home, at Army, Hawaii is full at 13 games, at Arizona, at UCLA, at Oregon, at NMSU, where are the other 2 games? Don't think they go indy in 2020 in football.
This assumes that everything across CFB in the scheduling realm is set in stone for 2020 and that is not the case. I've mentioned this many times, it's not official until a school announces it. To that point you mention NMSU, they actually just announced their 2020 schedule so it's very unlikely UConn gets in there (but there technically is still time).

Per FBSchedules, UConn actually has three home games in 2020, UMass, Maine, and Indiana. They also have one on the road at Illinois. So they only need eight more games, with a minimum two of those at home.

UConn could try and get teams that are currently set to play each other to cancel that game and both play the Huskies instead. They are likely going to have a minimum of two FCS games at home, perhaps more. They'll have to figure out a way.

They can strike deals where teams push out existing games to play UConn instead. UConn's hoop programs are going to be key in this regard because if they are going for P5/HM opponents, having UConn hoop available to play a game against the same school is a plus.

UConn is not leaving the AAC on good terms. The AAC is not happy about it, and as such they aren't going to do UConn any favors. They'll want them gone just as quickly as UConn wants to be gone. The Huskies want to get into the Big East ASAP for a number of reasons, and they will do what they need to in order to make that happen.
Actually, you are correct: they will be all set with 2 more FCS home games; the away games I mentioned could be possible since they have open dates and play Hawaii so that they could schedule a 13th game. Yes, UConn could get it done in 2020 but they will need a lot of schools to help them out. Most likely, they get it done but I think in the long run they have problems with no on-campus stadium. Are people really going to East Hartford to see Akron and Central Connecticut State?

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Re: UConn to Big East 2020

Post by ZooMass84 » Sun Jul 07, 2019 8:14 pm

Basically, my prediction is this: UConn either drops football or at best goes 1AA (but who travels at least 30 miles or more to see 1AA games? ) UConn demolishing their on-campus stadium was a short-sighted idea. I guess they thought they would be playing for the national championship every year or something.

It all comes down to money: ticket sales, TV revenue, Conference payouts. Ticket sales will be a joke. TV revenue will be virtually non existent and there will be zero conference payout. Not to mention crazy travel expenses all over the country.

UConn will essentially be UMass without an on-campus stadium. We are in a league for Olympic sports with non-FBS schools and so will they.

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Re: UConn to Big East 2020

Post by minutefanjsf » Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:17 am

ZooMass84 wrote: Sun Jul 07, 2019 8:14 pm Basically, my prediction is this: UConn either drops football or at best goes 1AA (but who travels at least 30 miles or more to see 1AA games? ) UConn demolishing their on-campus stadium was a short-sighted idea. I guess they thought they would be playing for the national championship every year or something.

It all comes down to money: ticket sales, TV revenue, Conference payouts. Ticket sales will be a joke. TV revenue will be virtually non existent and there will be zero conference payout. Not to mention crazy travel expenses all over the country.

UConn will essentially be UMass without an on-campus stadium. We are in a league for Olympic sports with non-FBS schools and so will they.
As a state (public) entity that sunk over a hundred million dollars into football, they will not drop football. That amount of investment also makes it very unlikely they drop down to FCS. They will use hoops to leverage buy games in football the way we do, but they should be better off than us, because their hoops program is ostensibly “better”.

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Re: UConn to Big East 2020

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Re: UConn to Big East 2020

Post by ZooMass84 » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:34 am

ZooMass84 wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:31 am
minutefanjsf wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:17 am
ZooMass84 wrote: Sun Jul 07, 2019 8:14 pm Basically, my prediction is this: UConn either drops football or at best goes 1AA (but who travels at least 30 miles or more to see 1AA games? ) UConn demolishing their on-campus stadium was a short-sighted idea. I guess they thought they would be playing for the national championship every year or something.

It all comes down to money: ticket sales, TV revenue, Conference payouts. Ticket sales will be a joke. TV revenue will be virtually non existent and there will be zero conference payout. Not to mention crazy travel expenses all over the country.

UConn will essentially be UMass without an on-campus stadium. We are in a league for Olympic sports with non-FBS schools and so will they.
As a state (public) entity that sunk over a hundred million dollars into football, they will not drop football. That amount of investment also makes it very unlikely they drop down to FCS. They will use hoops to leverage buy games in football the way we do, but they should be better off than us, because their hoops program is ostensibly “better”.
UConn will never be better off than us. Our endowment is actually larger (Wikipedia lists UConn includes all their campuses, UMass is just the Amherst campus). We have twice the population of CT and our economy is booming. UMass is the largest state university in New England. People are leaving CT, not moving there. Big businesses are leaving CT, not moving there. The $100 million CT spent to build the Rent is a sunk cost. A lot of people are pissed and that has no bearing on throwing good money after bad.

Now that Encore is open, that is the death knell for Foxwoods. Hence, it really hurts CT, too. The Big East TV contract revenue is actually less than the AAC's. Being a football independent is a lot of work and costs a ton in travel $$$$. It's not easy by design (the powers that be want everybody in a conference, unless your name is Notre Dame or USMA West Point).

And the biggest reason UConn will eventually drop football is constant, grinding money losses, year after year. I cannot see fans flocking to East Hartford to see 1AA teams and FBS #120-#130 teams. The Rent holds 40,000 and now a days gets no more than a few thousand fans, tops. Idaho dropped football and plenty of FBS schools back in the day also dropped football.

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Re: UConn to Big East 2020

Post by minutefanjsf » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:18 pm

ZooMass84 wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:34 am
ZooMass84 wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:31 am
minutefanjsf wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:17 am

As a state (public) entity that sunk over a hundred million dollars into football, they will not drop football. That amount of investment also makes it very unlikely they drop down to FCS. They will use hoops to leverage buy games in football the way we do, but they should be better off than us, because their hoops program is ostensibly “better”.
UConn will never be better off than us. Our endowment is actually larger (Wikipedia lists UConn includes all their campuses, UMass is just the Amherst campus). We have twice the population of CT and our economy is booming. UMass is the largest state university in New England. People are leaving CT, not moving there. Big businesses are leaving CT, not moving there. The $100 million CT spent to build the Rent is a sunk cost. A lot of people are pissed and that has no bearing on throwing good money after bad.

Now that Encore is open, that is the death knell for Foxwoods. Hence, it really hurts CT, too. The Big East TV contract revenue is actually less than the AAC's. Being a football independent is a lot of work and costs a ton in travel $$$$. It's not easy by design (the powers that be want everybody in a conference, unless your name is Notre Dame or USMA West Point).

And the biggest reason UConn will eventually drop football is constant, grinding money losses, year after year. I cannot see fans flocking to East Hartford to see 1AA teams and FBS #120-#130 teams. The Rent holds 40,000 and now a days gets no more than a few thousand fans, tops. Idaho dropped football and plenty of FBS schools back in the day also dropped football.
The only way they are better off is that they can trade Big East basketball games with G5 football schools. That is what I meant by ostensibly better. It is a tough slog and yes schools have dropped football. But, Idaho is not Connecticut. I’m not saying they will be successful, it. Ring unsuccessful is not the same as cutting the sport. I also agree that we should be in a better place moving forward, but still hold that trading big east hoops games is a better sell than trading a10 games.

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