Bay Area UMie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 1:27 pm
InnervisionsUMASS wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:56 am
Bay Area UMie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 8:11 pm
Ok, when people make assertions about financial or quantitative matters they typically accompany their claims with evidence/reasons based on hard data not some abstract claim that we are expected to accept at face value as a given. Let’s start with your “it’s been a smarter financial move for the U vs being FCS” comment. I challenge you to back up your claim with some comparative financials-sources included. Looking forward to hearing back from you. I am very curious and open minded about this claim, but I need to be convinced. I have seen numerous people make this claim that operating within the FCS is more costly, but no one seems to provide any data to support their position. Feel free to caucus with “Jack” since he is so adamant that your comments are “excellent.”
I don't have them handy, I'm sorry. They've been talked about here (pretty confident McKinney did a full breakdown in the past), on Twitter (ZachIsGod is a good person to check in with), on the more Football focused UMass board(s), and in-person discussions I've hard with Athletic Department people. I don't have that sort of time to rehash what has already been discussed, but you can feel free to do some digging. In short, I will be declining your "challenge." Considering the University is a state entity, a FOIA request would also get you what you seem to think you need. Good luck.
Also, please don't ever lump me in with Jack. You've been posting here since 2017... you should know better.
Innervisions, Thanks for the honest reply. Your correct, “the FCS option is financially unfeasible and less attractive from a pure cash flow basis than the current FBS situation” narrative has been postulated on this board by several posters for the last 3-5 years. The reality is no one has provided any hard data supporting this claim-somebody please reference a historical post with link to prove me wrong. This assertion is obviously an extremely important justification for supporting the FBS initiative. If anybody has the data to support this assertion please post the info. My apologies if you were offended by my suggestion that you collaborate with Jack on this point. I thought you both were philosophically in unison on the FCS is financially unfeasible point.
Bay Area you think 1-aa is a smart play? What side of this are you on?
Let''s look at why from a guaranteed game perspective:
Florida State paid 1AA Alabama State $450k in 2019 (source USA Torday)
Florida State paid UMass 1.5m in 2021. (source Mass live)
It does not cost a 1m to charter a flight from Amherst Regional Airport to Tallnasty. The worst 1a team is making a HELL of a lot more money than a 1AA team.
Sure is it cheaper if we were in the CAA in terms of travel, yes, scholarships (maybe I am not sure we have ever used a full allotment of scholarships since moving up to 1a, coaches' salaries would be slightly less, but by how much?
The preecher's biggest takeaway and I think Bamford has done a terrible job in most aspects but I'll give him credit here. He has found a way albeit through student fees and state funds to run a program that does not run at a deficit.
As a UGA fan and a Herschel supporter told me (please pray for Herschel winning his race), when discussing Kirby Smart's contract, he goes "Preech, its so little of our money who really cares they are winning"
"You are what your record says you are" Coach Bill P.