Game 3, 2023-24: Harvard (11/17)

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Re: Game 3, 2023-24: Harvard (11/17)

Post by 69MG » Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:48 pm

We lost this game for 2 reasons and I'll keep it short.

1. We lost in regulation because of free throw shooting. If we make 3 more in regulation, they cannot tie us.
2. We lost in overtime because of poor substitutions by Frank (or lack of substitutions). If you watched the game, you know what I'm talking about.

Edit: However, as much as I'm pissed about the loss, Harvard is a good team and this is just a minor bump in the road.

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Re: Game 3, 2023-24: Harvard (11/17)

Post by minutefanjsf » Sat Nov 18, 2023 1:08 am

stevemaz wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:42 pm
WillHerndonFan wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:36 pm I want to start of on a positive note by saying that it was a great game by both teams for 35 minutes of the game. Player of the game for both teams was Matt Cross as he defines selflessness in all ways and plays like every game is his last. He almost put up A Julius Erving 20 rebound game. That being said, it seemed the team went sideways with Jaylen Curry at the point as his style to bring up the ball slow, dribble too much, not make the timely pass, and then take low percentage shot happened way too much at the end. Some players play better than their game (as many did under Calipari) and some players think they play better than their game (which is Curry). Frank’s biggest mistake was let Curry run the offense at that point in the game. Case in point was the last play in overtime where he took his time bringing it up and then waited to take the last shot to be the hero. Yes. We missed a ton of free throws and not having Hankins-Sanford on the court hurt as well. But Harvard won by moving the ball on every possession with minimal dribbling. We won our first two games that way and were leading the game tonight that way. In summary, we lost our way and it cost us. Going Forward. Put the ball back in the hands of Diggins and Thompson and play Curry when he realizes his job is to facilitate first.
yea im out on curry until further notice. would have been much better with Thompson at the pt and Davis in their at the end.
Curry at the point is not the problem, IMO. The movement to get open is. I wish DHS was in there for more than a spell in OT. I assume Curry was the option for the last shot. No one moved or set screens to get cross or Diggins open. Curry was forced to take the shot. He actually did his job.

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Re: Game 3, 2023-24: Harvard (11/17)

Post by LouMass » Sat Nov 18, 2023 6:12 am

This one reminded me of recent losses by the football team, poor coaching decisions, self inflicted wounds, and poor execution. It was a team effort contributing to the loss, with plenty to point to (free throws, turnovers, lack of movement and ball movement, player rotations), some improvement in any could have led to a different outcome.

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Re: Game 3, 2023-24: Harvard (11/17)

Post by stevemaz » Sat Nov 18, 2023 6:47 am

I checked Cohen's career FT% and it is low to mid 60s so i would say he will over time be ok at the line. It is too bad he is not a 80% guy becasue he is gonna go to the line a lot.

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Re: Game 3, 2023-24: Harvard (11/17)

Post by Juice Stand » Sat Nov 18, 2023 7:29 am

No further comment on the game as it's all been pretty much covered, but shoutout to the students who showed up last night. They moved the band over to fill part of the student section (great idea), and students actually showed up and nearly filled up the rest of the section, as well as sitting in other sections. There was a buzz in the arena and it felt like a really great college basketball atmosphere.

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Re: Game 3, 2023-24: Harvard (11/17)

Post by Floyd » Sat Nov 18, 2023 7:32 am

But need to close out these games to keep em coming back
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Re: Game 3, 2023-24: Harvard (11/17)

Post by inthescoop » Sat Nov 18, 2023 8:05 am

Everyone keeps saying Harvard is a good team. They were picked to finish 6th in the Ivy League. Their freshman PG smoked us.

We should not have lost that game.

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Re: Game 3, 2023-24: Harvard (11/17)

Post by GOODY » Sat Nov 18, 2023 8:19 am

inthescoop wrote: Sat Nov 18, 2023 8:05 am Everyone keeps saying Harvard is a good team. They were picked to finish 6th in the Ivy League. Their freshman PG smoked us.

We should not have lost that game.
Harvard is not a great team !

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Re: Game 3, 2023-24: Harvard (11/17)

Post by TheInsider » Sat Nov 18, 2023 8:27 am

Not a great team but they are a well coached good team. Lots of mistakes and I almost take it as a positive that we had to shoot 25% from 3 and 40% from the line to go to OT...

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Re: Game 3, 2023-24: Harvard (11/17)

Post by Jackson96 » Sat Nov 18, 2023 9:30 am

It sucks losing a game you should have won but overall, a positive start to the season 3 games in. I don’t think they played particularly well last night — I think they played hard, but not well.

The ball was sticking a bit on offense, didn’t seem to be as much movement at that end. Give Harvard credit - they were a big step up defensively and it seems like they made us uncomfortable. They aren’t a great team, but they are good on defense - physical and smart.

Defensively in the second half I didn’t think we were very good - Mack did whatever he wanted and they did a good job of finding open shooters.

Some of the coaching decisions — lineups, timeout usage, lack of defensive adjustments — weren’t my favorite.

Individually, Cross played really fucking hard and kept a lot of plays alive. That’s about the only real positive, there. Davis showed a little more than he had his first two games, I guess. None of the guards shot well — I do worry about perimeter shooting from the point guard spot. Keion is 1 for 6 on threes for the year and Curry is a freshman and is learning the difference good shot vs bad shot and that some of the stuff he could get away with in high school doesn’t work in college. He should only be taking in-rhythm, catch-and-shoot threes.

Anywho it is a bit encouraging to know that if we shot even 50 percent from the line we still win.
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Re: Game 3, 2023-24: Harvard (11/17)

Post by Cahoonaville » Sat Nov 18, 2023 10:28 am

Jackson96 wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 8:54 pm Just letting Harvard stick around. Hopefully it doesn’t cost them.

I’d be ok if Cohen stopped flexing after every foul and decided to you know, make his free throws instead.
Should visit the weight room more often if he feels the need to flex.
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Re: Game 3, 2023-24: Harvard (11/17)

Post by chuff » Sat Nov 18, 2023 11:50 am

Do we have a lock-down defensive guy? Would've helped to have one to use on Mack.
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Re: Game 3, 2023-24: Harvard (11/17)

Post by 69MG » Sat Nov 18, 2023 11:53 am

inthescoop wrote: Sat Nov 18, 2023 8:05 am Everyone keeps saying Harvard is a good team. They were picked to finish 6th in the Ivy League. Their freshman PG smoked us.

We should not have lost that game.
I don't put much stock in pre-season rankings. I do agree that we should not have lost that game. Let's see how the team responds from this and kicks the crap out of CCSU on Wednesday and South Florida on 12/2.

In response to chuff, I would have had Jayden guarding Mack. Among the issues I had with Curry was that he did a horrid job on Mack. Maybe nobody could have shut him down, but Jayden is our best defensive guard.

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Re: Game 3, 2023-24: Harvard (11/17)

Post by 69MG » Sat Nov 18, 2023 12:51 pm

A quick word about Cohen's FT shooting. Last year he shot 247 free throws (8 per game) and shot around 66%. He was at 65% the year before. I have to hope he gets back to mid 60's as the year goes on.

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Re: Game 3, 2023-24: Harvard (11/17)

Post by vanmeter » Sat Nov 18, 2023 1:15 pm

I would liked to have Jayden out there instead of Curry in that Curry could not guard Mack and Jayden seems like a strong defensive player. Curry also seems to make poor decisions offensively.
I did think it was a very good game and I like this team’s potential.

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