Game 24, 2022-23: at Fordham (2/8)

[NilesGold]

The game was lost during the first 9 minutes of the 2nd half when Fordham went on a 26-6 run, if anyone has the inclination to re-watch, I'd be curious to know which lineups we used during that time.

The half started with Wildens, Cross, Keon, Martin and Weeks. Here are the subs for 8 minutes 45 seconds, when the deficit got to 15:

Thanks for doing that. I added in the =/- point differential between those switches. It was actually a 28-6 run. -13 after the first 5:25, then another -9 during the next 3:20. Not sure what to say here, other than waiting until over 5 minutes into the half and you've gone -13 before bringing DD into the game generally seems like a terrible decision, although I'm not sure it would've changed the course of things. It's hard for me to get too mad about lineups with all of these injuries. I'm more disheartened by how poorly our team is defending.

20:00 Keon, Weeks, BM, Cross, Wildens (-8)
17:22 Wlidens out - Kante in (-5)
14:35 Martin out - DD in (-2)
13:40 Cross out - Gapare in (-2)
13:18 Weeks out - Gianni in (-1)
12:18 Keon out - Weeks in (-1)
12:10 Weeks out - Keon in (0)
11:53 Kante out - Wildens in (-2)
11:47 Wildens out - Martin in (-1)
11:15 Gapare out - Cross in

[inthescoop]

New goal: Have everyone healthy in March and win the A10 tournament... doesn't sound too bad eh?

[69MG]

^ I hope folks noticed the quick hooks on TJ and Wildens (8 second for TJ, 6 seconds for Wildens).

For TJ, it was a turnover and then a foul in 5 seconds. He sat for about 7 minutes, but I think he was hurting.
For Wildens it looks like it was a lack of D on a layup by Moore. He only sat for 3 minutes.

[PreecherJenkins]

if you are into the lineups sign up for https://cbbanalytics.com/

It is free and you can see who has the best plus-minus combinations.

[NilesGold]

if you are into the lineups sign up for https://cbbanalytics.com/

It is free and you can see who has the best plus-minus combinations.

Thanks, I thought it was behind a paywall.

Am I reading this correctly?

If you remove Noah, RJ, and Diggins from the equation and look at conference games, it's a very low sample size, but swapping out BM from the starting lineup we saw last night and replacing him with DD goes from a +1 net rating to a +79.

[TheInsider]

You don't need advanced analytics to tell you that.. it's obvious

[minutefanjsf]

The game was lost during the first 9 minutes of the 2nd half when Fordham went on a 26-6 run, if anyone has the inclination to re-watch, I'd be curious to know which lineups we used during that time.

The half started with Wildens, Cross, Keon, Martin and Weeks. Here are the subs for 8 minutes 45 seconds, when the deficit got to 15:

Thanks for doing that. I added in the =/- point differential between those switches. It was actually a 28-6 run. -13 after the first 5:25, then another -9 during the next 3:20. Not sure what to say here, other than waiting until over 5 minutes into the half and you've gone -13 before bringing DD into the game generally seems like a terrible decision, although I'm not sure it would've changed the course of things. It's hard for me to get too mad about lineups with all of these injuries. I'm more disheartened by how poorly our team is defending. It was the lack of offensive production more so than Fordham scoring that blew it open. 6 points in 9 minutes?

20:00 Keon, Weeks, BM, Cross, Wildens (-8)
17:22 Wlidens out - Kante in (-5)
14:35 Martin out - DD in (-2)
13:40 Cross out - Gapare in (-2)
13:18 Weeks out - Gianni in (-1)
12:18 Keon out - Weeks in (-1)
12:10 Weeks out - Keon in (0)
11:53 Kante out - Wildens in (-2)
11:47 Wildens out - Martin in (-1)
11:15 Gapare out - Cross in

The defense by DD and Gapare was pretty bad, all night, IMO. D, mental errors and perceived effort seem to be what the coach cares about when making substitutions. Having only one real ball handler (even though some of the forwards fancy themselves as such) Fordham’s increasing pressure and hitting shots are what contributed to those two runs. The -13 for half and -9 for the other were essentially the same. Fordham hit all of its threes in the first 4+ minutes and missed a couple of shots in the moments leading up to the 11:15 mark. They missed not due to better defense, IMO. https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... /401484475 Read the second half play by play. Lots of missed layups, some fouls and some TOs.

[NilesGold]

^ Gapare should imo not be used on the perimeter to defend guards, his lateral quickness just isn’t good enough. I think he might need to get stronger so he can defend forwards and bigs in the paint. On offense he’s out of control, he’s not playing within the team’s offense.

[inthescoop]

I'm surprised the coaching staff has not told him to stop going up for that home run block. A pump fake around Gapare is too easy and he goes flying in the air just making the situation seem a bit amateur.

[minutefanjsf]

^ Gapare should imo not be used on the perimeter to defend guards, his lateral quickness just isn’t good enough. I think he might need to get stronger so he can defend forwards and bigs in the paint. On offense he’s out of control, he’s not playing within the team’s offense.

He is raw and doesn’t seem to play within any team concepts, on either end of the floor. He can and should be able to defend the perimeter, mismatches with guards no, but wing players, yes. He is a wing player. He is not quick on defense, but plays like he is. He doesn’t give adequate space with on ball D, leaving him to either get beat or foul a majority of the time. He doesn’t seem to understand spacing on offense or defense. He hasn’t improved on any of these things all season. That is why he doesn’t deserve more PT.

[minutefanjsf]

I'm surprised the coaching staff has not told him to stop going up for that home run block. A pump fake around Gapare is too easy and he goes flying in the air just making the situation seem a bit amateur.

I’m sure they have. Just because he does it, doesn’t mean it is condoned.

[PreecherJenkins]

if you are into the lineups sign up for https://cbbanalytics.com/

It is free and you can see who has the best plus-minus combinations.

Thanks, I thought it was behind a paywall.

Am I reading this correctly?

If you remove Noah, RJ, and Diggins from the equation and look at conference games, it's a very low sample size, but swapping out BM from the starting lineup we saw last night and replacing him with DD goes from a +1 net rating to a +79.

most of the features are, but you can select one team and get some information. What does net rating mean? I am more a plus minus guy

[NilesGold]

^ Gapare should imo not be used on the perimeter to defend guards, his lateral quickness just isn’t good enough. I think he might need to get stronger so he can defend forwards and bigs in the paint. On offense he’s out of control, he’s not playing within the team’s offense.

He hasn’t improved on any of these things all season. That is why he doesn’t deserve more PT.

Agreed, and that might be the most frustrating part about his situation.

[minutefanjsf]

^ Gapare should imo not be used on the perimeter to defend guards, his lateral quickness just isn’t good enough. I think he might need to get stronger so he can defend forwards and bigs in the paint. On offense he’s out of control, he’s not playing within the team’s offense.

He hasn’t improved on any of these things all season. That is why he doesn’t deserve more PT.

Agreed, and that might be the most frustrating part about his situation.

Everyone else has improved IMO, especially the other freshmen. It must be ten times more frustrating for the coaching staff.

[NilesGold]

He hasn’t improved on any of these things all season. That is why he doesn’t deserve more PT.

Agreed, and that might be the most frustrating part about his situation.

Everyone else has improved IMO, especially the other freshmen. It must be ten times more frustrating for the coaching staff.

RJ has improved immensely, Keon moderately, Gapare seemingly zero. I'd be interested to know what the coaches are telling him, if he does the whole dribble around for 10 seconds and then turn it over or shoot it off the side of the backboard, are they just like "great job, you'll get 'em next time", or does he just not listen/execute what they're telling him?