Game 11, 2022-23: North Texas (Springfield, 12/17)

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Re: Game 11, 2022-23: North Texas (Springfield, 12/17)

Post by Zeke » Sun Dec 18, 2022 4:02 pm

Thanks on the Fernandes sighting.

My feeling is that Gapare will develop confidence, apply his skills and learn to play in the team "system" by getting minutes and that there is no drop off from Martin to him. The opponent needs to guard him unlike Martin and that helps free up other shooters. Martins rebounding won't be missed if you have 2 of Dominguez/Cross/Kante/Wildens on the floor with Gapare.

Many of our fouls against Texas were committed (Thompson/Diggins/Cross) guarding 25-30 feet from the hoop. The way Texas was shooting for the first 3/4 of game, this was unnecessary. Why didn't coaching staff back them off?

My biggest concern is - where is the offensive system or sets? The wheel thing they rely on - where guards and wings circle around in opposite directions above the top of the key for handoffs - hasn't done anything to free up shooters or cutters in all the games I've watched ( 9-10). It's predictable and often leads to turnovers. The deep pass from top of the key into the low post has failed repeatedly for several reasons - 1) bad passes over fronting defender, 2) Wildens/Kante are not particularly good jumpers and Wildens doesn't have good hands, 3) we always play it one on one vs crossing a wing into low post to screen the guy defending our center.

I've asked this before, where is the evidence of smart and varied offensive sets from this coaching staff? Ones that either get guys passes in cutting lanes or open shots from the perimeter. Much of the sad shooting percentage yesterday had to do with our getting almost no open shots.
Guys aren't moving well without the ball, dribble too much and rarely employ pick and roll, give and go or double screens. This to me is ultimately a matter of coaching as opposed to player skill level, athleticism or work ethic.
Aren't these guys paid enough to teach and drill our players in these tactics and techniques?

I'd love to know if I'm reading this wrong. Does anyone think our offensive is designed/called with any sophistication or imagination?

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Re: Game 11, 2022-23: North Texas (Springfield, 12/17)

Post by Roadtrip » Sun Dec 18, 2022 4:55 pm

No, I do not

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Re: Game 11, 2022-23: North Texas (Springfield, 12/17)

Post by Floyd » Sun Dec 18, 2022 6:01 pm

Zeke wrote: Sun Dec 18, 2022 4:02 pm Much of the sad shooting percentage yesterday had to do with our getting almost no open shots.

I don't know, sometimes you have to give credit to their D. They were very physical and aggressive, fought thru picks, and had pretty good help D. On the inside stuff we had, we just didn't finish

Aren't these guys paid enough to teach and drill our players in these tactics and techniques?

I'd love to know if I'm reading this wrong. Does anyone think our offensive is designed/called with any sophistication or imagination?

Well, our best player and PG is out, its a totally new team & staff, the guy RagingCager labeled as having the most upside got here a couple days before the season started, we're only 11 games into the season, and I think the staff is still figuring out who can do what. And we're still 8-3, with 3 losses to good, experienced teams, which we still could have won. We'll get there, part of the process.

Your points are all valid, I just think we need to be patient and let the team come together. This program has been down for so long , we're all looking for something wrong. Keep winning and keep working on things in practice and the season should be a good one
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Re: Game 11, 2022-23: North Texas (Springfield, 12/17)

Post by Zeke » Sun Dec 18, 2022 9:24 pm

Thanks for the comments. I could use more patience. The N. Texas game was very painful and it wasn't all on the coaches.

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Re: Game 11, 2022-23: North Texas (Springfield, 12/17)

Post by Acer71 » Mon Dec 19, 2022 9:42 am

Zeke wrote: Sun Dec 18, 2022 9:24 pm Thanks for the comments. I could use more patience. The N. Texas game was very painful and it wasn't all on the coaches.
Being a season ticket holder for over 20 years I have been patient. Now, I am optimistic too! Keep the faith in Frank.

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Re: Game 11, 2022-23: North Texas (Springfield, 12/17)

Post by tdmass » Mon Dec 19, 2022 10:15 am

^ Agreed!

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Re: Game 11, 2022-23: North Texas (Springfield, 12/17)

Post by eldonabe » Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:11 pm

As I have tried to say over and over (very poorly).

This is a nice team, they are not great, but they are going to be in every game - good/bad/ugly. They are not going to pile up 20+ wins. They may get to 20 but that is probably the ceiling. They are young, they are learning a new system and how to play with each other.


If their core stays put for next year - they will be much better... that said, just enjoy this process. Its going to be frustrating at times, but everything is pointing in the correct direction.


I will take 9-9 or 10-8 Conference today, record right now, and at least 1 conf tourney win.... and I will be very content with the results of this season.

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Re: Game 11, 2022-23: North Texas (Springfield, 12/17)

Post by Jackson96 » Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:33 pm

Yeah I’m in the same boat. There are things I’d like to see improve — mostly on the offensive end — but in general I am quite pleased. They give a shit out there and play hard (almost always). The talent level has increased as well.
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Re: Game 11, 2022-23: North Texas (Springfield, 12/17)

Post by NilesGold » Mon Dec 19, 2022 2:18 pm

Zeke wrote: Sun Dec 18, 2022 4:02 pm I'd love to know if I'm reading this wrong. Does anyone think our offensive is designed/called with any sophistication or imagination?
The defense and level of effort/intensity is very good, and the talent level is much improved from what we've had the last 8-10 years, but the offense sucks, and based on the talent level it should be much better.

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Re: Game 11, 2022-23: North Texas (Springfield, 12/17)

Post by NilesGold » Mon Dec 19, 2022 2:26 pm

eldonabe wrote: Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:11 pm They are young
Much of what you said I agree with, but not this one. UMass is not young.

UMass uses an 11-man rotation, 7 of the 11 are in their 3rd, 4th, or 5th season of college basketball.

Kante
Martin
Fernandes
Leveque
Weeks
Cross
Dominguez

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Re: Game 11, 2022-23: North Texas (Springfield, 12/17)

Post by inthescoop » Mon Dec 19, 2022 2:30 pm

^Could also mean young, as in experience playing together as a whole..

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Re: Game 11, 2022-23: North Texas (Springfield, 12/17)

Post by eldonabe » Mon Dec 19, 2022 3:57 pm

NilesGold wrote: Mon Dec 19, 2022 2:26 pm
eldonabe wrote: Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:11 pm They are young
Much of what you said I agree with, but not this one. UMass is not young.

UMass uses an 11-man rotation, 7 of the 11 are in their 3rd, 4th, or 5th season of college basketball.

Kante
Martin
Fernandes
Leveque
Weeks
Cross
Dominguez

Fair - bad wording. I meant they have not played together long enough yet.

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Re: Game 11, 2022-23: North Texas (Springfield, 12/17)

Post by 69MG » Mon Dec 19, 2022 4:00 pm

^ No excuses against SBU on 12/31. As I said in another thread, they play 9 guys; 6 transfers and 3 freshmen.

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Re: Game 11, 2022-23: North Texas (Springfield, 12/17)

Post by LS71 » Mon Dec 19, 2022 7:35 pm

To paraphrase a former President,it depends on what the definition of ‘young’ is…

They’re ‘young’ as a team as opposed to individual classes. Only three players in the rotation were at UMass last season.

This group has played approximately 1/3 of one season together as a team under a coach who is new to the school.
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