KAEO: Sean East

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Re: KAEO: Sean East

Post by m626t » Fri Apr 03, 2020 12:50 pm

Wasn't the Bradley gym used in the final scenes of Hoosiers? A classic old school type arena.
All due respect, and I mean that from the bottom of my heart, I'm gonna pass.

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Re: KAEO: Sean East

Post by JoleonLescottsHair » Fri Apr 03, 2020 1:16 pm

LS71 wrote: Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:25 am ^ +1

I agree that losing East is a big loss.

Remaking the roster every year sucks. I can't help but wonder how this way of 'doing business' can be sustained. What does it mean to play for the name on the front of the jersey, when the roster turns over as drastically as it has over the last several years?
It is happening everywhere and I just hate it. Part of it is structural (grad transfer rule (the worst!), one and done trend of a few, transfer waivers etc.) and part is cultural on the side of coaches and players. The structural stuff leads coaches to play year to year (a mistake in my eyes) but to me it starts with the whole hype of recruiting where high school kids draw outsized attention, draw out the process, and schedule public announcements. Taken together, there is a clear free agency aspect to the game and that SUCKS for the very reasons you mention.

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Re: KAEO: Sean East

Post by NilesGold » Fri Apr 03, 2020 1:31 pm

skizz wrote: Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:55 am
JoleonLescottsHair wrote: Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:35 am
UMassfan_19 wrote: Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:31 am

He did transfer down though A-10 is a better conference than the MVC.
Bradley is a strong program and A10 v MVC is debatable.
This statement is on the money..
The mighty Bradley Braves, owner of 1 season over .500 in MVC play in the last 11 seasons. Losing Wichita State a few years ago was a hit to the MVC.

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Re: KAEO: Sean East

Post by inthescoop » Fri Apr 03, 2020 1:38 pm

Quick fun MVC fact: Evansville went 0-18 in conference play this past season but beat top 10 Kentucky at Kentucky.

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Re: KAEO: Sean East

Post by inthescoop » Fri Apr 03, 2020 1:42 pm

NilesGold wrote: Fri Apr 03, 2020 1:31 pm
skizz wrote: Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:55 am
JoleonLescottsHair wrote: Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:35 am

Bradley is a strong program and A10 v MVC is debatable.
This statement is on the money..
The mighty Bradley Braves, owner of 1 season over .500 in MVC play in the last 11 seasons. Losing Wichita State a few years ago was a hit to the MVC.
I'm not going to say anything bad about Bradley - the worst they did in conference play in the last 4 seasons was 7 wins. We only had 7 conference wins once in the last 5 seasons.

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Re: KAEO: Sean East

Post by Juice Stand » Fri Apr 03, 2020 1:49 pm

m626t wrote: Fri Apr 03, 2020 12:50 pm Wasn't the Bradley gym used in the final scenes of Hoosiers? A classic old school type arena.
Maybe, but my memory is telling me it was the gym at Butler University

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Re: KAEO: Sean East

Post by NilesGold » Fri Apr 03, 2020 1:53 pm

^ Bradley is a fine program, not exactly a powerhouse though. UMass has been pretty shitty most years lately, no denying that.

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Re: KAEO: Sean East

Post by Juice Stand » Fri Apr 03, 2020 2:19 pm

Nobody called Bradley a powerhouse. People have used words like good and strong to describe them. In the last 20 years they've been to the dance 3 times (I'll count this year since they won the conference tourney), and made a Sweet 16 appearance, as well as having seven 20-win seasons. UMass in that time period (as well all know too well) has 1 tournament appearance (a blowout loss) and five 20-win seasons. I know it's a slight step down in competition in their conference, but they've been equally as good, or better than us in the last 20 years. And with Sean East on their roster, I'd wager that they're in for another pretty good year.

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Re: KAEO: Sean East

Post by harbo » Fri Apr 03, 2020 2:44 pm

m626t wrote: Fri Apr 03, 2020 12:50 pm Wasn't the Bradley gym used in the final scenes of Hoosiers? A classic old school type arena.
Juice Stand gets 300 points with his correct answer.
Butler Fieldhouse, now known as Hinkle Fieldhouse.
http://hoosiersarchive.com/behind-the-s ... ule/sites/

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Re: KAEO: Sean East

Post by JoleonLescottsHair » Fri Apr 03, 2020 5:21 pm

NilesGold wrote: Fri Apr 03, 2020 1:31 pm
skizz wrote: Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:55 am
JoleonLescottsHair wrote: Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:35 am Bradley is a strong program and A10 v MVC is debatable.
This statement is on the money..
The mighty Bradley Braves, owner of 1 season over .500 in MVC play in the last 11 seasons. Losing Wichita State a few years ago was a hit to the MVC.
Juice Stand wrote: Fri Apr 03, 2020 2:19 pm Nobody called Bradley a powerhouse. People have used words like good and strong to describe them. In the last 20 years they've been to the dance 3 times (I'll count this year since they won the conference tourney), and made a Sweet 16 appearance, as well as having seven 20-win seasons. UMass in that time period (as well all know too well) has 1 tournament appearance (a blowout loss) and five 20-win seasons. I know it's a slight step down in competition in their conference, but they've been equally as good, or better than us in the last 20 years. And with Sean East on their roster, I'd wager that they're in for another pretty good year.
Exactly. Thanks for explaining it to Niles. He likes to mischaracterize posts before coming back with his “I was misunderstood” game. Like clockwork. Just in this thread he has already quickly gone from “mighty Bradley Braves” to a “fine program” when he sensed push back. He simply can’t allow himself to be wrong, so we are left with his flat sarcasm about a good program all in the effort to continue to denigrate East. Weird shit. And, having “muted” me he apparently needs to use other people’s posts where I am quoted to offer a pissy retort.

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Re: KAEO: Sean East

Post by m626t » Fri Apr 03, 2020 5:57 pm

Juice Stand wrote: Fri Apr 03, 2020 1:49 pm
m626t wrote: Fri Apr 03, 2020 12:50 pm Wasn't the Bradley gym used in the final scenes of Hoosiers? A classic old school type arena.
Maybe, but my memory is telling me it was the gym at Butler University
You're probably correct/. My brain is fried lately.
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Re: KAEO: Sean East

Post by m626t » Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:11 pm

^
I did a bit of research... :oops:
Hinkle Fieldhouse (originally called Butler Fieldhouse), site of the state finals game -

Hinkle Fieldhouse in Indiananpolis, home of the Butler Bulldogs, was remodeled in 1989. New doors, windows, offices and chair-back seats were installed. The seating capacity was reduced from 15,000 to 10,757. In 2010, the university began planning for the next major renovation, whose cost was estimated to be at least $10 million.
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Re: KAEO: Sean East

Post by UMassfan_19 » Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:46 pm

JoleonLescottsHair wrote: Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:35 am
UMassfan_19 wrote: Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:31 am
JoleonLescottsHair wrote: Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:23 am Just confirms for me that this was a big loss. I didn’t figure East would be transferring down. He should have made all-rookie team and his ceiling was high.
He did transfer down though A-10 is a better conference than the MVC.
Bradley is a strong program and A10 v MVC is debatable.
Its a good program but MVC is lucky if it is more than a 1 bid league

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Re: KAEO: Sean East

Post by NilesGold » Fri Apr 03, 2020 7:10 pm

Juice Stand wrote: Fri Apr 03, 2020 2:19 pm Nobody called Bradley a powerhouse. People have used words like good and strong to describe them. In the last 20 years they've been to the dance 3 times (I'll count this year since they won the conference tourney), and made a Sweet 16 appearance, as well as having seven 20-win seasons. UMass in that time period (as well all know too well) has 1 tournament appearance (a blowout loss) and five 20-win seasons. I know it's a slight step down in competition in their conference, but they've been equally as good, or better than us in the last 20 years. And with Sean East on their roster, I'd wager that they're in for another pretty good year.
Quite right about no one calling Bradley a powerhouse, and I never meant to imply that anyone did, simply stated that they aren't. Life of a true mid-major is strange, I don't think going (or not going) to the NCAAT is a great indicator of the strength of a program... conference record/standing is much better. Being above .500 once in the last 11 seasons doesn't strike me as particularly good or strong within their own conference... I guess you could make the argument that a mediocre MVC equates to a good or strong MBB program, but I wouldn't... to each his own I guess. Not quite sure why Bradley compared to UMass is meaningful, UMass has been an overall shitty program the last ~10 years, that doesn't make Bradley a good one.

I think Bradley is a fine choice for East, I suspect he'll do well there. Not too sure his choice proves anything about how good or bad he is, I think we'll probably have to wait a few years to see just how he plays.

I do think going to Bradley lends some credence to the theory that East likely left UMass because he wanted more playing time than he thought he'd get at UMass, as someone else suggested on here earlier.

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Re: KAEO: Sean East

Post by fenway617 » Fri Apr 03, 2020 7:44 pm

UMassfan_19 wrote: Its a good program but MVC is lucky if it is more than a 1 bid league
Also goes from a really big public school in terms of enrollment (30K ) to a small private school (5K) which may be what he wanted as well. And the MVC has been pretty much a one-bid conference. A10 isn't way better but of the two the A10 is not considered a perennial one bid league. If a player transferred from the MVC to the A10 it would be considered transferring up.
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