Game 22, 2016-17: George Mason (1/28)

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Game 22, 2016-17: George Mason (1/28)

Post by MikeUMA » Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:08 pm

You won't know it by the student turnout this coming weekend, but Spring classes started this past Monday.

How do we count attendance? Tickets sold or bodies thru the turnstiles?

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Post by xlgman » Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:41 pm

^
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Post by harbo » Thu Jan 26, 2017 12:50 am

:lol:

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Post by bunkerhill87 » Thu Jan 26, 2017 6:53 am

The mullins will be a tomb rest of the year. Sad .going forward.all i want is 40% from 3 less than 12 turnovers, and outrebound our opponents. Some sign of progress. We are so far away

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Post by Floyd » Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:00 am

At least lines will be short to take a squirt or get concessions
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Post by fenway617 » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:06 am

^^
And getting out of the parking lots.
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Post by MikeUMA » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:46 am

May as well try to move on...

We're less than 4 weeks separated from our last game with Mason, the 86-81 loss we took in Fairfax.
http://umassathletics.com/news/2017/1/4 ... 86-81.aspx

Last night, whistles seemed to be a common theme. While we shattered some eardrums with 64 combined fouls, Mason and GW had a combined 47. GW won pretty easily, 87-68. Colonials scored 52 in the second half. GW hit 11 threes on the night to Mason's 1.
http://www.gomason.com/news/2017/1/25/m ... 87-68.aspx

It'll be interesting to see if any of last nights officials end up with our game.
In Fairfax last night: Larry Scirotto, Lee Cassell, Tony Chiazza
In St Louis last night: Lamont Simpson, Paul Szelc, Evon Burroughs

Livingston gave them 17 last night, Moore added 15 but struggled with 5-15 from the field, but he did add 10 boards to improve his Mr Double Double status. He now has 13 in Mason's 20 games this season, and is still the only one in the league averaging a double-double.

Ian Boyd gave them 12 points off the bench. Prior to that, he was only scoring 5.5 average.

Mason is currently 13-7 /3-4. We're 12-9 / 2-6.

Mason's A-10 slate
Wins vs us, at St Joe, at Richmond this past Sunday. Spiders had been in 1st in the A10 at the time.
Losses vs VCU, at Bona, vs SLU, vs GW.

The Patriots are now 5-1 on the road this season (2-1 A-10 road games). We are 2-2 in A10 home games.

Current season averages:
Moore 18.3 ppg, 10.9 rpg. He's also their leading assist man at 3.6 per game, and has a 1.25 assist:turnover ratio.
Livingston 14.0 / 2.5
Jenkins 10.8 / 5.7
Grayer 10.3 / 5.1

Moore is currently tied for 5th in the conference with that 18.3 ppg average. Jim McCoy-esque, in that he has hit zero 3s on the season (0-7).
Livingston is 16th in the conference in scoring.

Jenkins leads the league in FG% at .629
Holloway is a sliver behind him at .623
Moore hits at .510

Who not to foul: Livingston. He's leading the A10, by far, with a .924 average. Trey Davis-esque.

We're pretty close in scoring average now: Mason 74.6, UM 72.8, 7th and 8th in the league respectively. Same rankings on FG shooting.
Defensively: UM 69.6 allowed, Mason 70.7
In FG defense, we're tops at .392, Mason is 3rd at .413

Mason is tops in the league, by a decent margin, in rebounding offense, at 40.8 per game. That's a huge problem for us. We're 12th in the A14 in rebounding defense.

In stark contrast to us, Mason does not shoot the 3. They're last in the league in attempts (322) and makes (106). And then there's us, by far the higest volume 3 shooting team (522), but, all too familiar, worst in percentage, now just .291 on the season.

We've got a chance if we can...
Contain Moore
Keep Livingston off the line
Stay with them on the glass
And obviously, hit some of our threes

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Post by MJatUM » Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:28 am

bunkerhill87 wrote:going forward.all i want is 40% from 3 less than 12 turnovers, and outrebound our opponents. Some sign of progress. We are so far away
I'm not joking, if they do all three of those in a game then they will not lose. To anyone.

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Post by 69MG » Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:55 am

^
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Post by MikeUMA » Thu Jan 26, 2017 1:49 pm

bunkerhill87 wrote:all i want is 40% from 3 less than 12 turnovers, and outrebound our opponents. Some sign of progress. We are so far away
Wish list, I know, but even for a wish list, it's aggressive. Stats suggest a Debbie Downer prognosis.

There's really no evidence to suggest that we can hit at a 40% clip from 3. Jason Germain kept talking about the good looks we had last night, and we still shot .167

But even if we do hit .400 the rest of the way, that'll bring our season total up to about .327

Turnovers - we had 15 per game in the non-conf slate. Versus league opponents, it's 15.75. Yeah, we wanna see improvement, but it hasn't shown up yet. In the last 2 games, it was an 18 average. It's trending worse, not better, and the freshmen are getting more PT. Clark was taken out of some offensive situations last night, Berger's minutes have gone down. Deeky has potential but still makes a lot of sloppy passes.

Rebounding margin was a -1.5 in our soft non-conf schedule, now it's -1.8 on the season because of the -2.4 so far in conference play. We were a +1 vs Fordham this past weekend, but -6 vs Saint Joe, and -7 last night against SLU. Again, recent trends are worse. But if Holloway can shake off last night's game and get back to what he showed a couple weeks back, we might be able to turn it around.

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Re: Game 22, 2016-17: George Mason (1/28)

Post by minutefanjsf » Thu Jan 26, 2017 1:54 pm

The biggest issue to me is the desire to fight for or protect the ball. Many of these players lose their heads when something doesn't go well and stop playing for a moment even if the ball is near them. I want to see guys diving for loose balls. Clark and Holloway are the two that seem to give up or play lazy the most, but they are not alone. This is a coaching mentality that allows them to sulk or not hustle.

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Post by MikeUMA » Thu Jan 26, 2017 2:33 pm

^ Good & valid point.

Effort is what turned Lou Roe from a good player into a great player. Effort and attitude can be learned to some extent, but a lot of guys either have it or they don't, and doesn't change much.

Coaching also plays into it. I said it elsewhere and I'll say it again, I can't recall Kellogg giving the hook to a player that took an ill-advised shot, or just made a lazy play. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. He'll sub in and out for game situations / rest / foul trouble, but not so much for bad decisions / lack of effort.

Last year, when we didn't have a ton of scoring threats, I could deal with it a bit more. This year, when we have a very deep bench, why not yank a guy who's giving you half-effort? We have a deep bench that wants to play, and most of them can give us something in the stat sheet.

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Re: Game 22, 2016-17: George Mason (1/28)

Post by bunkerhill87 » Thu Jan 26, 2017 2:39 pm

super valid point Mike! I guess it was a dream. my hope is that we take high percentage 3s . top of the key , from the corner etc
4 out 10. i guess its something to hope for. the strength of the team lies with inside play. the guards need to drive and dish. Deeky has shown that and scored as well. Turnovers......hmmm no argurment there. seems so simple to slow it down if its not there. rebounding is essential . the whole team needs to be dialed in im off the edge after last night it is what it is and ill still watch Saturday

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Post by NilesGold » Thu Jan 26, 2017 3:09 pm

bunkerhill87 wrote:super valid point Mike! I guess it was a dream. my hope is that we take high percentage 3s . top of the key , from the corner etc
4 out 10. i guess its something to hope for. the strength of the team lies with inside play. the guards need to drive and dish. Deeky has shown that and scored as well. Turnovers......hmmm no argurment there. seems so simple to slow it down if its not there. rebounding is essential . the whole team needs to be dialed in im off the edge after last night it is what it is and ill still watch Saturday
I believe a big part of the turnover problem is related to the shooting problem. UMass cannot space the floor due to it's horrific shooting ability. Every opponent knows the team can't make outside shots so they pack the paint with defenders. UMass is forced to either take 3's that they can't make, or force the issue in paint and commit a lot of turnovers.

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Re: Game 22, 2016-17: George Mason (1/28)

Post by uz2b-len » Thu Jan 26, 2017 3:38 pm

I can't recall Kellogg giving the hook to a player that took an ill-advised shot, or just made a lazy play. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. He'll sub in and out for game situations / rest / foul trouble, but not so much for bad decisions / lack of effort.
He does sit people down after ill-advised shots or turnovers. I saw him do it a few times against St Joe's. Probably not as often as I wold like.

I just can't understand the 3 pt shooting. There's no reason these guys shouldn't do better. Well, I guess there's some reason, but what the hell is it? They don't get this far in their hoops career without having some idea of how to shoot. It just takes practice.

By the way, our AD is the school record holder at Ithaca college for 3 pt shooting. It must double-kill him to see this.
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