Game 18, 2016-17: at URI (1/15)

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Re: Game 18, 2016-17: at URI (1/15)

Post by Calmass9 » Mon Jan 16, 2017 12:06 pm

NilesGold wrote: I agree a TO probably should have been called before that Pipkins 3 to draw up something better, but for all I know they were able to draw up something earlier or had a pre-set play they called, maybe it just wasn't executed that well, not too sure. DK did call a TO with 3:59, :46 and :02 left, so it's not like he wasn't using his TO's.

As for Clark, he wasn't guarding Matthews late when Matthews scored 9 in less than 5 minutes, Pipkins, Jarreau and Lewis were guarding him. I'd have to go back to make sure, but I believe Clark was guarding Terrell most of the game, Terrell went 1-6 and scored 4 points in the game.
He was, but the timeout with :02 secs left should have been used before the possession with the ball, down 3. Much more appropriate time to use our last timeout than with :02 secs left in desperation mode.

Clark was 100% covering Matthews over the majority of that timeframe. The biggest shot of the game, IMO, was when Matthews kicked it out to Iverson for the 3 after we had cut it to 4 with 2:45 left. On that play, like the ones before, they put EC in a PnR situation with Clark on him. Clark refused to fight through the screen which gave Matthews a driving lane. Iverson's man (forget who it was) correctly helped and left Iverson wide open in the corner. If Clark fights through that screen, Matthews doesnt have the same lane and Iverson's defender doesnt have to help.

Donte is a big time liability on defense and it's gotten to the point where we have enough quality defenders to either hide Donte on a non scorer or sit him on the bench in crucial defensive possessions. The chances of us winning that game go up if he's not covering Matthews during that stretch.

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Re: Game 18, 2016-17: at URI (1/15)

Post by NilesGold » Mon Jan 16, 2017 12:45 pm

^ Maybe I'll re-watch it a 3rd time, but I'm pretty sure Clark was not guarding Matthews the last 5 minutes on any plays, it was always someone else. Gresham was the one who left Iverson in the corner to help on the play you're referring to.

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Re: Game 18, 2016-17: at URI (1/15)

Post by NilesGold » Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:51 pm

These aren't perfect because they don't show the whole play, but Clark was defending Matthews on 2 of the 5 plays at the end where he scored or assisted.

Matthews' first tough shot, Jarreau was guarding.
https://twitter.com/RhodyMBB/status/820744057370660867

Matthew's step back 2, Jarreau was guarding.
https://twitter.com/RhodyMBB/status/820744473034584066

Matthew's step back 3, Clark was guarding, looks like he went under on the screen and got mauled by Martin while trying to get back to Matthews, Holloway couldn't stop the step-back.
https://twitter.com/RhodyMBB/status/820745973089574913

Here's the Iverson 3. Clark was guarding Matthews on the play, hard to say but it looks like Clark went over the screen and not under it, Holloway couldn't contain on the hedge.
https://twitter.com/RhodyMBB/status/820746356826525696

There was another tough driving layup from Matthews where Lewis was guarding, but there's no gif of it.

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Re: Game 18, 2016-17: at URI (1/15)

Post by baseline47 » Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:07 pm

On the matter of A10 officiating:

Let me first say, I'm a long time basketball referee critic, prone to directing various obscenities toward the officials during the course of a game. In fact, I complained on the forum about the refereeing in the PC game.

I didn't watch the Rhode Island game, but have read the comments here concerning the officiating. Just for yucks, I went to the Rhode Is. hoop forum to see if they had any such comments/complaints. Not surprisingly,they didn't. But,they won the f#@king game! So, I reviewed the Dayton forum to check out the comments on the the Dayton/UMass game. This is a fan base used to winning; most thought it'd be an easy win though a few were nervous since Dayton has struggled in the Bill.They complained about the efforts and in some cases the abilities of Dayton players. They even complained about the coach. :shock: But, they never once mentioned the officiating.

Are Dayton fans more mature and sophisticated that us?
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Re: Game 18, 2016-17: at URI (1/15)

Post by 69MG » Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:15 pm

^ We took 23 free throws and Dayton took 22. Add in that Dayton committed 5 intentional fouls in the last two minutes. There wasn't much for Dayton to complain about.

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Re: Game 18, 2016-17: at URI (1/15)

Post by mlaconte459 » Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:21 pm

38-18 free throw attempts.. both teams played EQUALLY with their physicality.. that shows biased and unfair officiating.. I always complain, but this game and the PC game are the two worst we've had so far
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Re: Game 18, 2016-17: at URI (1/15)

Post by nale » Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:52 pm

baseline47 wrote:On the matter of A10 officiating:

Let me first say, I'm a long time basketball referee critic, prone to directing various obscenities toward the officials during the course of a game. In fact, I complained on the forum about the refereeing in the PC game.

I didn't watch the Rhode Island game, but have read the comments here concerning the officiating. Just for yucks, I went to the Rhode Is. hoop forum to see if they had any such comments/complaints. Not surprisingly,they didn't. But,they won the f#@king game! So, I reviewed the Dayton forum to check out the comments on the the Dayton/UMass game. This is a fan base used to winning; most thought it'd be an easy win though a few were nervous since Dayton has struggled in the Bill.They complained about the efforts and in some cases the abilities of Dayton players. They even complained about the coach. :shock: But, they never once mentioned the officiating.

Are Dayton fans more mature and sophisticated that us?
Actually the Dayton game was officiated fairly. The officals did miss some call but not all in favor of one team.
I was talking to a Dayton fan during the game and we both knew when a call was blown whomever if favored.

In the Dayton game have one team shoot 38 foul shot and the other team shoot 18?
In the Dayton did one team have 2 fouls early in the second half and the other team 10?

Did a loose ball foul get called a procession foul resulting in no foul shots for UMASS near at the end of the game possibly effect the outcome in the Dayton game?
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Re: Game 18, 2016-17: at URI (1/15)

Post by 69MG » Mon Jan 16, 2017 8:12 pm

Getting back to Mathews. I just rewatched the last 5 minutes. He had 3 different people on him for that stretch. In my opinion he wasn't going to miss those shots no matter who was on him. The shot that killed us was Iverson's 3 from the corner.

This game is over, on to St. Joe's.

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Re: Game 18, 2016-17: at URI (1/15)

Post by UMass87 » Mon Jan 16, 2017 8:14 pm

69MG wrote:... In my opinion he wasn't going to miss those shots no matter who was on him. ...
This was my point pages back. The kid was hot and he is very good. That's a combination even good defense can't beat.

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Re: Game 18, 2016-17: at URI (1/15)

Post by uz2b-len » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:20 pm

What about great defense?
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Re: Game 18, 2016-17: at URI (1/15)

Post by nale » Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:06 am

uz2b-len wrote:What about great defense?
When a great player gets hot nothing can stop him.
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Re: Game 18, 2016-17: at URI (1/15)

Post by MJatUM » Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:31 am

nale, read my post on the previous page. I was with you at the time, but after reviewing the rule I think it was correctly called a team possession foul. Even if the pass is tipped, the team control is not lost until the other team possesses the ball.

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Re: Game 18, 2016-17: at URI (1/15)

Post by natwam2547 » Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:33 am

nale wrote:
uz2b-len wrote:What about great defense?
When a great player gets hot nothing can stop him.
This. Overrated or not, URI was a top 25 team heading into the season and EC Matthews is a projected 1st round pick on some mock drafts. Here's to hoping Donte gets on that kind of an offensive streak and we return the favor in the rematch at home.

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Re: Game 18, 2016-17: at URI (1/15)

Post by SignMan » Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:49 am

Old Cage wrote:Concerning the "fan" - If anyone doesn't know this: The URI AD Thorr Bjorn is one of us. He is a good guy who was a UMass football player and then spent at least a decade in our Department.

Our reactions to this clown each year are like Groundhog Day. I'm sure that the guy's antics are well known to Thorr, but I suspect that emails from folks here that witnessed what was happening would be appreciated.

tbjorn@uri.edu

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I was not at game @ URI this year; info just from here and others who were there.
A civilized appropriate SM response will be prepared for a max UMass fan involved response at Mullins.
Participants welcome...

Some history re: URI fans...

I have not been back to URI in some years...bad experience...
good seats for us behind UM bench, but their students deliberately adjacent to our left nearer mid-court...
They stood the entire game and the sight line is bad for us... Intentional...

I have had signs taken and destroyed there...

When Lappas coached us there, the students harassed him, and other coaches throughout the game...
using the names of wives/kids...very nasty stuff...

At Mullins, URI students threw whatever at SM from upper Section D or E...
They were removed from the arena...

At URI, IMHO, admin there could care less...
The rest of my posts have been Postponed until the next one.

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Re: Game 18, 2016-17: at URI (1/15)

Post by MJatUM » Thu Jan 19, 2017 1:07 pm

To be fair, student's did chant things about Baron's kids (ie broken condom) when he was at Mullins - But maybe they opened that up to themselves by being on the team.

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