2020 Presidential Election

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2020 Presidential Election

Post by Quann » Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:28 pm

Thought I’d start this up. I always enjoy the political banter on here. What is everybody thinking on the Democratic side?

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Re: 2020 Presidential Election

Post by m626t » Thu Dec 05, 2019 12:12 pm

OK, I'll bite. I'm thinking the Dems need a candidate who is not elderly, is an intelligent, camera friendly non socialist who is a mild liberal on domestic issues and somewhat of a hawk on foreign policy.. and a strong supporter of our military. "Progressives" need not apply if Trump is to be defeated ( assuming he survives impeachment ). Is there a Scoop Jackson out there somewhere who can come to our rescue?
All due respect, and I mean that from the bottom of my heart, I'm gonna pass.

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Re: 2020 Presidential Election

Post by Bubba » Thu Dec 05, 2019 1:00 pm

I agree, the right keeps heading right-ward, the left keeps heading left-ward, menawhile the vast majority of us are in the middle of those two hoping eventually, someone will run from the middle-ish area of the spectrum. The trouble is, anytime someone from the middle runs, no one supports them.

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Re: 2020 Presidential Election

Post by e_parade » Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:50 pm

Sorry for what's to come below here. I pay way too much attention to this sort of thing and like providing details.
m626t wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 12:12 pm
OK, I'll bite. I'm thinking the Dems need a candidate who is not elderly, is an intelligent, camera friendly non socialist who is a mild liberal on domestic issues and somewhat of a hawk on foreign policy.. and a strong supporter of our military. "Progressives" need not apply if Trump is to be defeated ( assuming he survives impeachment ). Is there a Scoop Jackson out there somewhere who can come to our rescue?
The word socialist gets thrown around too often and usually inaccurately (not trying to single you out here despite the quote). The media loves it because it brings in the ratings more than using what the actual terminologies would be. But you're basically saying you want Mayor Pete out of the current crop of candidates.

While Bernie is closer to socialism than most other candidates, he's more advocating for a social democracy.
Social democracy is a political, social and economic philosophy that supports economic and social interventions to promote social justice within the framework of a liberal democratic polity and a capitalist-oriented economy.
FDR would also be in the same boat (not saying this to rile things up, it's literally what happened back then as well):
Conservatives feared the New Deal meant socialism and Roosevelt privately noted in 1934 that the "old line press harps increasingly on state socialism and demands the return to the good old days." In his 1936 Madison Square Garden speech, Roosevelt pledged to continue the New Deal and criticized those who were putting their greed, personal gain and politics over national economic recovery from the Great Depression. In the speech, Roosevelt also described forces which he labeled as "the old enemies of peace: business and financial monopoly, speculation, reckless banking, class antagonism, sectionalism, war profiteering" and went on to claim that these forces were united against his candidacy, that "they are unanimous in their hate for me — and I welcome their hatred." In 1941, Roosevelt added the freedom from want and freedom from fear as part of his Four Freedoms goal. In 1944, Roosevelt also called for a Second Bill of Rights that would have expanded many social and economic rights for the workers such as the right for every American to have access to a job and universal healthcare. This economic bill of rights was taken up as a mantle by the People's Program for 1944 of the Congress of Industrial Organizations, a platform that has been described as "aggressive social-democratic" for the post-war era
A lot of that could basically be copy/pasted directly into Bernie's platform.



All that having been said...the media still sways a shit ton of everything so we've likely seen what Sanders would be possible to accomplish in 2016 (at best come in 2nd place and win some primaries). Warren, not being as far left (and actually officially in the party), might have a bit more she can do. The two of them both running probably caps out what they could get done. However, polling from not too long ago suggested that Warren was most likely to benefit from a Harris dropout (just under 40% of Harris backers said Warren was their number 2, Biden had about 20%). And while there wasn't a ton left in there at this point, it's still a couple of ticks in the upward direction.

Biden, Sanders, Warren, and Buttigieg will all be in decent shape heading into Iowa and New Hampshire. Pretty sure that all of them have led the polls in one or both of those states over the past couple of months.

Yang has a solid, albeit small backing. But it comes with good financial backing. He'll be sticking around but not winning anything (and potentially would be considered for a cabinet position, but not VP). Bloomberg and Steyer are made of money and will spend it (Bloomberg just spent ~$40 million in ads over the past month). Don't think either will break through to the top, but they might be successful in pushing issues onto the platform.

Booker is likely in trouble, but might be able to stick it out until Iowa/NH before dropping. He also may drop out before then, but he won't be winning much of anything at this point. Klobuchar is similar, but in slightly better shape since she's already qualified for the next debate. Gabbard has a similar loyal backing to Yang, but not the financial resources from it...and she's also rubbing the party the wrong way lately. She might get forced out.

Castro will probably be the next to drop out (of the people who we remember are still running, that is).

Basically no one else is worth mentioning a prediction on.


Other than Patrick, who will almost certainly absolutely nothing.

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Re: 2020 Presidential Election

Post by Quann » Thu Dec 05, 2019 8:14 pm

^^^^
I’m not a registered Democrat but I really like the ideas coming from Tulsi, Yang and Steyer. If Warren wins the nomination, we’ll be saying President Trump until 2024.

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Re: 2020 Presidential Election

Post by e_parade » Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:33 am

Quann wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 8:14 pm
^^^^
I’m not a registered Democrat but I really like the ideas coming from Tulsi, Yang and Steyer. If Warren wins the nomination, we’ll be saying President Trump until 2024.
I'm also not a registered democrat (and never have been). I love the confusing looks at the primaries when I walk up and they're like "Wait...what does the U mean?" Though it doesn't give much confidence in them if they don't know it means "Unenrolled" and that I'm able to pick which primary to participate in that day.

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