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Should McCall be given a third year

Answer the (Mc)call for a third year!
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Re: Should McCall be given a third year

Post by McKinney » Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:26 am

albaby wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:47 am
Banford isn't gone to fire a coach he "hired" after 2 years.
What are you implying when you say "hired"?
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Re: Should McCall be given a third year

Post by natwam2547 » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:20 pm

^ Probably just that he wasn't the first choice.

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Re: Should McCall be given a third year

Post by MassDynasty321 » Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:45 pm

This seems oddly prescient:

Suddenly, sadly — at least for Mocs Maniacs everywhere — this highly anticipated UTC season is no longer about only wins and losses, a part of the job McCall proved he was pretty good at last season, when he guided the program to 29 victories and its first NCAA tournament appearance since 2009.

Instead, it has become about what did or didn't happen in the UTC locker room during and after Saturday's loss to Mercer in the home finale. It's about tweets and rumors and egos and the pressure a senior class may be feeling regarding its final season of college hoops coming to an end. It's about what's really behind those four straight losses the Mocs have suffered heading into this week's Southern Conference tournament in Asheville, N.C.
https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/spo ... ga/415486/

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Re: Should McCall be given a third year

Post by McKinney » Wed Mar 13, 2019 4:12 pm

^ FWIW the Mocs are in the shitter with us.

So despite the locker room quarrels, it's not like McCall leaving had a "positive" impact on their team.

I say that as it's along the lines to the logic I've heard regarding Carvel's impact leaving St. Lawrence hockey.

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Season     RPI
2013-14    #291  - Wade's first year at Chat. (CIT)
2014-15    #114  - Wade's last year at Chat.
2015-16    #56   - McCall's first year at Chat. (NCAA)
2016-17    #139  - McCall's last year at Chat.
2017-18    #304  - Paris' first year at Chat.
2018-19    #257  - Current Season (Paris)
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Re: Should McCall be given a third year

Post by LS71 » Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:22 pm

^ Curious...what do Winthrop's number look like over the same period?
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Re: Should McCall be given a third year

Post by McKinney » Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:10 pm

Kelsey's been a coach longer, so I chose to back the window up to cover his predecessor's tenure. Covers up until the season UMass decided to hire him.

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Season	   RPI	  Coach Notes			Achievements
2007-08	   #106	  Randy Peele’s first season	NCAA
2008-09	   #251		
2009-10	   #173					NCAA
2010-11	   #223		
2011-12	   #273		
2012-13	   #268	  Pat Kelsey’s first season	
2013-14	   #178		
2014-15	   #212		
2015-16	   #130					Regular Season
2016-17	   #71					NCAA
We covered it the other day, but again it baffles me that all these small schools go to so many NCAA tournaments. We've had one appearance in two decades and yet we're in a multibid league.

They probably have greater parity within their conference, and someone has to appear in the tourney. I know these schools aren't getting at-large bids. I know they often don't make past the play in games or first round. But still seems counter-intuitive that schools from less nationally relevant conferences can string together multiple appearances.... and then you have UMass. As they say, life's not fair, right? :lol:
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Re: Should McCall be given a third year

Post by DoctorJ » Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:32 pm

Who would we replace MM with if we did fire him? Are we any better off???

Is Slick Rick going to, um, walk through that door? I doubt it. (Although I might support it.)
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Re: Should McCall be given a third year

Post by uz2b-len » Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:18 am

That was an interesting article about McCall's second year at UTC. He has a vision of what it takes for a team to be a consistent winner--a certain culture and attitude. He didn't get it done in two years at UTC or in two years here. I would think it would take longer than two years to achieve something like that if the foundation hasn't already been established. It remains to be seen if he can do it at all. Meanwhile, since we're citing coaching records, here's the estimable Mark Schmidt, who seems to be very highly regarded here there and everywhere:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Schmidt
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Re: Should McCall be given a third year

Post by McKinney » Sun Mar 17, 2019 11:04 am

^ I gotcha len.

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Re: Should McCall be given a third year

Post by MikeUMA » Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:05 pm

Per Walfish...
Bamford said all staffing decisions belong to McCall, but that he doesn't want McCall thinking he's alone or doesn't have support. He still has faith that McCall is right man for job, even after this "aggressive reset" of the program.
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Re: Should McCall be given a third year

Post by Jackson96 » Wed Mar 20, 2019 7:42 am

Wasn’t sure where to put this so I’ll just leave it right here:

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket ... ayers-1-68

It ranks the tourney coaches in their own playing careers. I don’t particularly care about the actual rankings (my life is sad but not tragic) but did find the breakdown interesting.

I’ve seen it come up a few times in discussion (and I use that term loosely) where McCall is denigrated a bit for his own playing career and also that he was a “former manager” etc. etc. Well 12 of the coaches in the tourney never played above the high school level, another 23 played some lower level college basketball, and a handful of these guys have team manager experience.

There are certainly things we can have concerns with when it comes to McCall as a coach, but I think pointing to his lack of a playing career or how he was “only” a team manager is ridiculous. I’ve long thought that way. To me being a manager and working your way up to the coaching ranks actually shows me something.

At any rate I am sure there will be a few folks in here who will still scoff at this part of McCall’s resume, and that’s fine. I just thought this article serves as a pretty good anecdote to that. Hopefully next season the program will show improvement to the point where the actual stuff that should be scoffed at gets smaller.
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Re: Should McCall be given a third year

Post by MJatUM » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:09 pm

Bertrand with a not so veiled shot at McCall today on the radio. He went on a mini rant about how BC and UMass need to get their shit together because there's no real buzz when they're not in the tournament. Anyway his line was about how "The UMass coach won't shut up and tie he used to be Billy Donovans ball boy."

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Re: Should McCall be given a third year

Post by InnervisionsUMASS » Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:39 am

Since McCall IS getting another year, can we move on from this stupid thread? I'll certainly still read it if not, but both Bamford and McCall have answered the question.... soooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
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Re: Should McCall be given a third year

Post by 69MG » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:00 am

IV, you can't win. I tried and failed in the Franklin thread. However, since the topic is "SHOULD McCall", it leaves it open for discussion even though we know the outcome. Yes, he should, but he is on a much shorter leash than (OH SHIT, do I want to start this again? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: ?).

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Re: Should McCall be given a third year

Post by InnervisionsUMASS » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:06 am

^

Haha I was a culprit in the Franklin thread. I'll make it up to you later today, assuming you don't miss your train transfer! :lol:
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