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Re: State of the Progam

Post by InnervisionsUMASS » Fri Oct 04, 2019 12:10 pm

e_parade wrote:
Fri Oct 04, 2019 12:09 pm
InnervisionsUMASS wrote:
Fri Oct 04, 2019 11:16 am
^

That's one way to quickly devalue a bachelor degree.
In a lot of ways it's already devalued. For many people who have these degrees, the best they can do (to get into their desired field) is low paid or unpaid internships, and these internships often require a degree.

Oh believe me, I know. I deal with people fighting through things like that daily.
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Re: State of the Progam

Post by Berkman » Fri Oct 04, 2019 6:11 pm

Don't see a topic for the game tomorrow so I will make my comment here. Going up to Cherokee tomorrow morning for the monthly super bingo with the last blackout worth $ 35,000. We will stay overnight and go to the casino on Sunday for a couple of hours. So I will not be watching the game. It is a 3 hour rive from Mooresville to Cherokee.

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Re: State of the Progam

Post by econalum » Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:36 pm

InnervisionsUMASS wrote:
Fri Oct 04, 2019 11:16 am
^

That's one way to quickly devalue a bachelor degree.
Of course, it is exactly the opposite I.V. As usual.

It is basic supply and demand. The demand will go up, not down, as prices go down, but the supply/available slots to attend is basically constant, + OR - 5%.

What will happen, given the increasing the proven value-added of a UMass degree is that it will be MUCH harder to qualify to attend UMass. Think 4.2 h.s. GPA's and 650+ SAT board scores per area.

IMO, this is the easiest way for UMass to almost immediately further move up in State U rankings.
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Re: State of the Progam

Post by McKinney » Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:57 pm

econalum wrote:
Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:36 pm
InnervisionsUMASS wrote:
Fri Oct 04, 2019 11:16 am
^

That's one way to quickly devalue a bachelor degree.
Of course, it is exactly the opposite I.V. As usual.

It is basic supply and demand. The demand will go up, not down, as prices go down, but the supply/available slots to attend is basically constant, + OR - 5%.

What will happen, given the increasing the proven value-added of a UMass degree is that it will be MUCH harder to qualify to attend UMass. Think 4.2 h.s. GPA's and 650+ SAT board scores per area.

IMO, this is the easiest way for UMass to almost immediately further move up in State U rankings.
This assumes the state properly funds the school, which is a HUGE If. Candidly I'd argue it's an unprecedented "if" for the Massachusetts legislature.

I think you can also kiss goodbye any quality/nationally competitive room & board. Goodbye #1 dining. Goodbye athletics (or at least maybe we'll have MEAC level funded athletics). Goodbye new gyms, new dorms, new dining halls, new academic buildings, etc.
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Re: State of the Progam

Post by econalum » Fri Oct 04, 2019 9:12 pm

Nope. if a brand is viewed as high value, low cost, folks will flock to it. Price is not important, what is important is by being judged by outcomes, by major. The number of students accepted will reflect varying demands and outcomes.

Economics says some majors or departments will wither on the vine, as fewer majors and/or career prospects for grads, and will yield no replacement tenure track faculty positions as folks retire/die, but the use of adjuncts/part-timers will grow for marginal programs.

And, if the MASS legislature endorsed this approach, there would be enormous pressure to support UMass, and/or let UMass charge nominally for any funding shortfalls.

Here is what is very important. UMass is rising due to its academics, period.
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Re: State of the Progam

Post by InnervisionsUMASS » Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:43 am

econalum wrote:
Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:36 pm
InnervisionsUMASS wrote:
Fri Oct 04, 2019 11:16 am
^

That's one way to quickly devalue a bachelor degree.
Of course, it is exactly the opposite I.V. As usual.

It is basic supply and demand. The demand will go up, not down, as prices go down, but the supply/available slots to attend is basically constant, + OR - 5%.

What will happen, given the increasing the proven value-added of a UMass degree is that it will be MUCH harder to qualify to attend UMass. Think 4.2 h.s. GPA's and 650+ SAT board scores per area.

IMO, this is the easiest way for UMass to almost immediately further move up in State U rankings.

Making a bachelors free will make it just like a HS diploma. And eventually employers will require a Masters instead of a bachelors to get a job. The value of a bachelors will fall as a diploma's has over the last 30 years.


I'm all in on making college affordable, but making it free will have repercussions.
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Re: State of the Progam

Post by MJatUM » Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:33 am

Make it affordable and I don't understand why I can get a better interest rate on a house than I could on my education... Seems backwards... Maybe offer a 0% interest loan in-state? IDK.

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Re: State of the Progam

Post by Quann » Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:56 am

The whole student loan model is broken and it needs to end. A person that goes to a 50k per year private school and majors in an unemployable major is just dumb and we need to start saying that point blank. No, your student loan should not be forgiven for doing something that stupid. Students need to get much more intentional with school choice and choice of major. There are much more affordable options for educating yourself if you don’t want a traditional vocation or career path.

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Re: State of the Progam

Post by massprof » Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:27 pm

Can we please get back to a discussion of football?? Is everyone now so despondent that there is no longer any discussion of the game performance and the state of the program? Yes, I'm just as despondent as everyone else, being a 40-year season ticket holder, but I feel the need to throw out my own 2 cents after last Saturday's debacle. First of all, many of you have probably seen Josh Walfish's column in today's Gazette. He was on the money discussing the waning of fan patience with Bell's continuing platitudes about "culture" and "getting back to work" when the program has descended to the level of a complete dumpster file. After the first few games, I put the blame for the results mainly on the relative lack of talent, but it's now clear that coaching and offensive/defense schemes have to take a lot of the responsibility. At this point, I think Bell should scrap the read option and go back to a bread-and-butter offense with 2 RBs in an I-formation and using a lead back to help open the hole. The backs can also help with pass blocking in blitz situations. What do you folks think?
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Re: State of the Progam

Post by Berkman » Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:46 pm

I agree with you. We should go back to regular offense with a huddle and take as much time off the clock to limit the amount of time the other team has to run their plays. Don't think we can do much on defense though. He has around 17 verbals for next year and a lot of them are big guys so that should be some improvement. I think it will take next year and the year after to turn this program around.

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Re: State of the Progam

Post by InnervisionsUMASS » Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:48 pm

massprof wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:27 pm
Can we please get back to a discussion of football?? Is everyone now so despondent that there is no longer any discussion of the game performance...

There are specific game threads.....


But I concur, this one got off target.
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Re: State of the Progam

Post by MJatUM » Mon Oct 07, 2019 3:06 pm

Yes they should scrap the no-huddle hurry up. It is the same problem we've had the last couple of seasons with Whip too - if your offense isn't good enough to score or even sustain drives you are going to KILL your defense with the short drives. I don't know about going full on pro offense running out of the I - the playbook is what the playbook is. It's probably not even fully installed yet, you need to keep building on it if you are going to be using the same principles in future seasons. Keep the spread - even keep the read option / PRO (pass/read option) principles if you want. Just for the love of Christ run more than a minute off the game clock before punting.

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Re: State of the Progam

Post by Rolling Ridge » Mon Oct 07, 2019 4:36 pm

I didn't watch any of the FIU game, but in the Akron game, we ran to the line with no huddle, and for the vast majority of time took a look at the defense, then Curtis checked out and looked to the sidelines where a play was signaled in on a sign that was held up. The ball was typically hiked with around 5 seconds left on the play clock.

If this is the way they want to run the offense, that is fine with me and I don't care about the huddle. The advantages I see here are that you freeze the defense on the field by getting to the line fast, get a look at the defense before calling a play, and still run off plenty of time. You also have the option of a fast snap, which can be good on occasion, especially if you have the defense gassed, as we did a couple of times during the Akron game. So I'm OK with that approach, and if they got away from that against FIU, then that is pretty dumb and I hope we get back to that in future games.

As far as a "back to basics" approach, I honestly don't think it matters. I don't think we have the size to run a PRO style offense, or play a "pound the rock" type game. In theory, we are probably better built to run the spread because of our size, but here we lack talent. So I think we're screwed either way. Ultimately, I don't think you're going to solve the defensive woes of this team, what I see as the true problem, on the offensive side of the ball. It's just going to take time and patience, recruiting, transfers, etc. Until we get some players, I'm not that worried about what Bell does now and far as X's and O's. We beat Akron with the spread and a variant of the hurry-up, so I just don't see what a change at this point is really going to accomplish.

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Re: State of the Progam

Post by ZooMass84 » Tue Oct 08, 2019 8:33 am

Rolling Ridge wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2019 4:36 pm
I didn't watch any of the FIU game, but in the Akron game, we ran to the line with no huddle, and for the vast majority of time took a look at the defense, then Curtis checked out and looked to the sidelines where a play was signaled in on a sign that was held up. The ball was typically hiked with around 5 seconds left on the play clock.

If this is the way they want to run the offense, that is fine with me and I don't care about the huddle. The advantages I see here are that you freeze the defense on the field by getting to the line fast, get a look at the defense before calling a play, and still run off plenty of time. You also have the option of a fast snap, which can be good on occasion, especially if you have the defense gassed, as we did a couple of times during the Akron game. So I'm OK with that approach, and if they got away from that against FIU, then that is pretty dumb and I hope we get back to that in future games.

As far as a "back to basics" approach, I honestly don't think it matters. I don't think we have the size to run a PRO style offense, or play a "pound the rock" type game. In theory, we are probably better built to run the spread because of our size, but here we lack talent. So I think we're screwed either way. Ultimately, I don't think you're going to solve the defensive woes of this team, what I see as the true problem, on the offensive side of the ball. It's just going to take time and patience, recruiting, transfers, etc. Until we get some players, I'm not that worried about what Bell does now and far as X's and O's. We beat Akron with the spread and a variant of the hurry-up, so I just don't see what a change at this point is really going to accomplish.
I watched the FIU game and it was like we were the team playing the Harlem Globetrotters. Akron must be a D3 or NAIA school for us to win. At least we won't go winless this season!!!!

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Re: State of the Progam

Post by Cahoonaville » Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:49 am

FBS Football finally! A dream come true!!!!

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