2017 Win Total

Whip'ing the program back into shape.

How many wins will we have in 2017

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2
2
4%
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3
7%
4
12
26%
5
16
35%
6
6
13%
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6
13%
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0
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12
1
2%
 
Total votes: 46

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Re: 2017 Win Total

Post by Billybuck » Sat Nov 18, 2017 9:45 pm

minutefanjsf wrote:
Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:13 pm
Billybuck wrote:
Sat Nov 18, 2017 2:19 pm
Don't know about the title but with that same logic...i am sure both the Celtics and warriors will improve as the season goes...just as umass has...AND. Maybe the teams that beat umass just might have improved as well throughout the season?
Actually go to your argument, the numbers don't lie. None of the teams UMass lost to at the beginning of the season have improved as much as UMass. 4 wins in 5 games has not been matched by ODU, Hawaii, or CC. so......
Maybe...maybe not...depends on the quality of schedule that they played. Maybe the teams they played were of much higher quality then the team Umass played with losing records. So it is up in the air on who Improved more.

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Re: 2017 Win Total

Post by Billybuck » Sat Nov 18, 2017 9:48 pm

78 wrote:
Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:14 pm
Oh joy, another new guy who knows all of the inner workings of the athletic department... :roll: :roll: :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Maybe I do....maybe I don't...I think I do....I do know this....for sure....without question...I know more than you. pM your number...we can talk and then you can decide yourself.

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Re: 2017 Win Total

Post by minutefanjsf » Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:01 pm

Billybuck wrote:
Sat Nov 18, 2017 9:45 pm
minutefanjsf wrote:
Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:13 pm
Billybuck wrote:
Sat Nov 18, 2017 2:19 pm
Don't know about the title but with that same logic...i am sure both the Celtics and warriors will improve as the season goes...just as umass has...AND. Maybe the teams that beat umass just might have improved as well throughout the season?
Actually go to your argument, the numbers don't lie. None of the teams UMass lost to at the beginning of the season have improved as much as UMass. 4 wins in 5 games has not been matched by ODU, Hawaii, or CC. so......
Maybe...maybe not...depends on the quality of schedule that they played. Maybe the teams they played were of much higher quality then the team Umass played with losing records. So it is up in the air on who Improved more.
Give it a look. I'm pretty sure app state, Mississippi state, and BYU are better than the conference USA etc, that ODU, hawaii and cc had to play. Yes UMass beat an FCS Maine team. One metric, ESPN fpi has our schedule as tougher, and we've moved up in these ratings far passed the first three opponents.

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Re: 2017 Win Total

Post by Billybuck » Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:23 pm

minutefanjsf wrote:
Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:01 pm
Billybuck wrote:
Sat Nov 18, 2017 9:45 pm
minutefanjsf wrote:
Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:13 pm


Actually go to your argument, the numbers don't lie. None of the teams UMass lost to at the beginning of the season have improved as much as UMass. 4 wins in 5 games has not been matched by ODU, Hawaii, or CC. so......
Maybe...maybe not...depends on the quality of schedule that they played. Maybe the teams they played were of much higher quality then the team Umass played with losing records. So it is up in the air on who Improved more.
Give it a look. I'm pretty sure app state, Mississippi state, and BYU are better than the conference USA etc, that ODU, hawaii and cc had to play. Yes UMass beat an FCS Maine team. One metric, ESPN fpi has our schedule as tougher, and we've moved up in these ratings far passed the first three opponents.

The four team Umass beat are 10-31 I think. Other than hail state there is not 1 team on the schedule worth a damn really. App state is average at best. Best thing to happen to Umass football....Florida hurricane...took a beating off the schedule in usf and gave them a nice 2 week break in the middle of the season. I do agree...I would say Umass probably has Improved more than Hawaii and odu and cc. I don't even consider g. Southern. Them and Tennessee fired coaches already they are so bad.

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Re: 2017 Win Total

Post by minutefanjsf » Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:35 pm

Billybuck wrote:
Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:23 pm
minutefanjsf wrote:
Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:01 pm
Billybuck wrote:
Sat Nov 18, 2017 9:45 pm


Maybe...maybe not...depends on the quality of schedule that they played. Maybe the teams they played were of much higher quality then the team Umass played with losing records. So it is up in the air on who Improved more.
Give it a look. I'm pretty sure app state, Mississippi state, and BYU are better than the conference USA etc, that ODU, hawaii and cc had to play. Yes UMass beat an FCS Maine team. One metric, ESPN fpi has our schedule as tougher, and we've moved up in these ratings far passed the first three opponents.

The four team Umass beat are 10-31 I think. Other than hail state there is not 1 team on the schedule worth a damn really. App state is average at best. Best thing to happen to Umass football....Florida hurricane...took a beating off the schedule in usf and gave them a nice 2 week break in the middle of the season. I do agree...I would say Umass probably has Improved more than Hawaii and odu and cc. I don't even consider g. Southern. Them and Tennessee fired coaches already they are so bad.
So, you see your initial point was wrong. Umass lost to those crappy teams by a score or 10 points. SteveMaz stated we would beat them now. You blasted that, but now you agree we've improved more than them. No one is arguing that the schedule is full of great teams. You've just injected that idea here when you contradicted yourself. If UMass were to play those first three teams now, they would be better and most likely win, that was the point you disagreed with.

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Re: 2017 Win Total

Post by Billybuck » Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:21 pm

minutefanjsf wrote:
Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:35 pm
Billybuck wrote:
Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:23 pm
minutefanjsf wrote:
Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:01 pm

Give it a look. I'm pretty sure app state, Mississippi state, and BYU are better than the conference USA etc, that ODU, hawaii and cc had to play. Yes UMass beat an FCS Maine team. One metric, ESPN fpi has our schedule as tougher, and we've moved up in these ratings far passed the first three opponents.

The four team Umass beat are 10-31 I think. Other than hail state there is not 1 team on the schedule worth a damn really. App state is average at best. Best thing to happen to Umass football....Florida hurricane...took a beating off the schedule in usf and gave them a nice 2 week break in the middle of the season. I do agree...I would say Umass probably has Improved more than Hawaii and odu and cc. I don't even consider g. Southern. Them and Tennessee fired coaches already they are so bad.
So, you see your initial point was wrong. Umass lost to those crappy teams by a score or 10 points. SteveMaz stated we would beat them now. You blasted that, but now you agree we've improved more than them. No one is arguing that the schedule is full of great teams. You've just injected that idea here when you contradicted yourself. If UMass were to play those first three teams now, they would be better and most likely win, that was the point you disagreed with.

I said probably....Umass maybe has Improved more,than them. Getting a 2 week break after getting off to a staggering 0-6 start really helps a team and then you play a brutal squad that is worse than Umass in 0-9. Umass Improved due to,having a long break and playing a crap squad at home. Bottom line Umass lost to,them....done deal and can't be redone. Only game I would,give them is beating CC now. We could play the ifs and buts game all day long. Bottom line...Umass lost to,those teams when they played when scheduled. Done deal.

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Re: 2017 Win Total

Post by natwam2547 » Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:07 pm

I can forgive ODU, Hawaii and CC are tough ones to swallow.

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Re: 2017 Win Total

Post by minutefanjsf » Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:08 pm

natwam2547 wrote:
Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:07 pm
I can forgive ODU, Hawaii and CC are tough ones to swallow.
I actually think all were terrible losses. Two home games and one against a team playing their first FBS game. That being said I think we have learned a lot, especially how to win, and if we had to face these teams today, we would win. The biggest improvement came on the defensive side of the ball, which was most likely due to the two week bye allowing for more teaching. Remember we started the year with Holiness and Downey hurt and found out Huber wasn't playing either. Imagine where would be if Holiness and Downey didn't play or if Barr hadn't learned how to play without just putting his head down and becoming a heat seeking missile.

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