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Holy Cross Crusaders

Post by MJatUM » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:57 am

ADMIN NOTE: I split this thread off from the 12/6 game thread. Had gotten completely muddled between basketball and religious history. Use this thread for the latter. Go back to Men's Hoop for basketball talk.

MikeUMA wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:49 am ^
Why wouldn't they be?? Maybe I'm missing a joke.
Teachers and students are petitioning to change the name. Holy Cross - OK // Crusaders - bad.

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Re: Game 9, 2017-18: Holy Cross (12/6)

Post by InnervisionsUMASS » Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:07 pm

You know what Minutemen do to Crusaders? Shoot them.
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Re: Game 9, 2017-18: Holy Cross (12/6)

Post by capezona » Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:09 pm

69MG wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:01 pm There is a PC movement in play to change the name from "Crusaders". Maybe the Crusades never happened. This PC crap befuddles me.
The Crusades were an awful part of human history. I don't think they're suggesting that we should wipe history clean but maybe they don't want to be aligned with something so dismal. I don't blame them at all.

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Re: Game 9, 2017-18: Holy Cross (12/6)

Post by inthescoop » Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:27 pm

^
You mean millions of people dying over the name of religion is a bad thing????? Well, thoughts and prayers for you man. That should do the trick! You owe me

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Re: Game 9, 2017-18: Holy Cross (12/6)

Post by UMassHoops » Mon Dec 04, 2017 5:09 pm

capezona wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:09 pm
69MG wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:01 pm There is a PC movement in play to change the name from "Crusaders". Maybe the Crusades never happened. This PC crap befuddles me.
The Crusades were an awful part of human history. I don't think they're suggesting that we should wipe history clean but maybe they don't want to be aligned with something so dismal. I don't blame them at all.
To be fair, 99% of human history was an awful part of human history.

Looks like one famous alum is against it. 1956 graduate, NBA Hall of Famer and former Celtics coach and player Tommy Heinsohn told The Boston Herald the discussion is "political correctness run amok."

I’d call it a crusade against The Crusaders but don’t want to offend anyone.

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Re: Game 9, 2017-18: Holy Cross (12/6)

Post by Berkman » Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:07 pm

^
Along those lines, my wife and were on a cruise to northern Europe and one of our stops was Oslo Norway. The tour we took there took us to a Viking museum. I talked to one of the workers there and he said that they were actually ashamed of those Vikings because of the plundering they did. Could be something like that about the Crusaders.

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Re: Game 9, 2017-18: Holy Cross (12/6)

Post by umass2001 » Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:32 am

Political Correctness is really just modern USA fascism. Regan even said that if fascism ever came to America it would be in the form of liberalism. Here it is. The name at it's root it intended to create the concept that if you disagree you are incorrect and should be sanctioned.

It is literally a movement around the idea of believe what we believe or you are wrong and will be censored. At this exact moment in our history there is a massive push against freedom of thought, speech, expression, and peaceful gathering and it is from the PC crowd.

This whole Holy cross name change thing is just the latest in a line. Eventually people will wake up, hopefully it isn't too late. If these protests succeed in changing our society, it will be the last time anyone will be able to protest in the US again.

"Absolute power corrupts absolutely"... What happens when it shifts, when 1 piece changes and now you are being injured? I am sure each person regardless of beliefs have had at least 1 thought they truly believed in but felt unable to voice in this political climate. Were you free to have your own thoughts at that time?


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Re: Game 9, 2017-18: Holy Cross (12/6)

Post by LS71 » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:36 am

^ The name change at HC is not a revisionist movement.

No one is trying say the crusades didn’t happen. The crusades were a brutally violent effort to gain converts...convert or we’ll kill you.

Maybe an institution of higher learning wants to have a name that’s evokes a more positive image.
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Re: Game 9, 2017-18: Holy Cross (12/6)

Post by InnervisionsUMASS » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:41 am

Or they can just leave it as it is.
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Re: Game 9, 2017-18: Holy Cross (12/6)

Post by Mass Grad » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:24 am

There were two sides to the issue of protecting the holy Christian places in Jerusalem as well as the Muslum invasion of Europe at the time. War is not pretty and the causes are not as simple as naming a Catholic University. Religion is never a rational basis for conflict. Knowledge of history helps understand.

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Re: Game 9, 2017-18: Holy Cross (12/6)

Post by umass2001 » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:55 am

InnervisionsUMASS wrote: Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:41 am Or they can just leave it as it is.
The PC crowd won't stop until it is changed now that they have decided that the name is offensive to some third party who claims no offense. ;)

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Re: Game 9, 2017-18: Holy Cross (12/6)

Post by LS71 » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:11 am

Say what you will but there's no denying that the Pope's position was was elevated and the Roman Catholic Church gained wealth and power as the result of the ruthless and widespread massacre of Jews, Muslims and other non-Christians that were the crusades.

Back to the game. The taste of the loss to HC in Worcester two days after Thanksgiving in 2000 still lingers. UMass can't beat HC badly enough to make me happy.
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Re: Game 9, 2017-18: Holy Cross (12/6)

Post by umass2001 » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:22 am

^
So what? Does that mean Holycross doesn't have the right to call their team the Crusaders? You are trying to conflate the issues.

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Re: Game 9, 2017-18: Holy Cross (12/6)

Post by Crank » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:41 am

^No one said they don't have the right to call them that...they also have the right to change it if they feel it doesn't represent their university the way they'd like.

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Re: Game 9, 2017-18: Holy Cross (12/6)

Post by inthescoop » Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:06 am

umass2001 wrote: Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:32 am Political Correctness is really just modern USA fascism. Regan even said that if fascism ever came to America it would be in the form of liberalism. Here it is. The name at it's root it intended to create the concept that if you disagree you are incorrect and should be sanctioned.

It is literally a movement around the idea of believe what we believe or you are wrong and will be censored. At this exact moment in our history there is a massive push against freedom of thought, speech, expression, and peaceful gathering and it is from the PC crowd.

This whole Holy cross name change thing is just the latest in a line. Eventually people will wake up, hopefully it isn't too late. If these protests succeed in changing our society, it will be the last time anyone will be able to protest in the US again.

"Absolute power corrupts absolutely"... What happens when it shifts, when 1 piece changes and now you are being injured? I am sure each person regardless of beliefs have had at least 1 thought they truly believed in but felt unable to voice in this political climate. Were you free to have your own thoughts at that time?


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inb4 grammar Nazis, this was written on a cellphone on the toilet without rereading no one cares ;) argue content not against authority.
Has a big issue with "liberals" trying to change the Crusaders name from Holy Cross. Has no issues supporting a pedophile running for office. What a guy you are.

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