Jack wrote: ↑
Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:23 am
e_parade wrote: ↑
Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:04 am
I would like to point out that I said literally none of what you just got on my case for. All I did was point out that you were entirely incorrect in your assumption that coaches can't tell players when to snap the ball. It happens all the time. Did it happen here? No idea, but probably not because we didn't see Whipple get on anyone's case about it being snapped when it was.
I also didn't even personally complain about a single thing in that post. I merely pointed out that "it's definitely a thing that people can rightly complain about." - this means that I was pointing out people should have the right to complain about it if they so choose (hint: I did not so choose. I just further explained the situation and why people could complain).
You seriously need to calm down and stop taking things so personally. (didn't realize you said this exact thing to someone else in your last post until I just reread it in the previous posts preview below here) You seem to like to argue, which is fine. But it's also a bit crazy to get so upset over people trying to find areas of improvement on a team that's 4-7.
The fact of the matter is: yes, this is a win, and a good one against a program that's pretty big. Does that mean we should just take it as is and not try to see if there's even more room for improvement? No, but we can still be happy with the result while trying to find other places that can get better.
I would like to point out that you are wrong. I never once stated that coaches can't instruct players. Please stop fabricating statements. You are simply making up false statements and attributing them to me. The fact is that Coaches do not snap the football on a punt. The Long snapper performs that function and you literally have no idea what you are talking about when you start making assumptions about what the coaches may or may not have told a player. I further pointed out that your statement contained other factual errors.
I am not taking anything personally... lol. I am correcting your factual errors and I am discussing the game. You are allowed to have your own opinions but you are not allowed to just make up your own facts. If you want to complain - do so based on an accurate statement of facts. Is that too much to ask of you?
Your word for word statement was "First of all the coaches do not decide when the long snapper hikes the ball." I was pointing out that's inaccurate. The fact that it doesn't always
happen that way (which you are correct about) does not make my statement incorrect that a coach can
instruct a player to snap the ball at a certain point. You're being extremely obtuse with this. If a coach makes the decision for the ball to be snapped at a certain point on the play clock, then he will instruct the player to do so. A decision leads to instruction. If the player follows the instruction then the decision was made by the coach.
Let me put it this way: the fact that the coach does not control the actual physical motions of the snapper does not change the fact that a coach instructing a player to snap a ball at a certain point is the coach deciding when the ball gets snapped. If the center does it at a different point then they made a decision on their own and will likely hear from the coach about it. Once again: I am not saying this is what happened during the game
. I'm merely pointing out that the coach can, and does, often instruct when things should be done.
If you want to be stupidly pedantic about it, then sure. The coach doesn't decide when the ball is snapped merely for the reason that he doesn't physically control the arms of his center.
If you continue to argue this point based on that extremely weird detail then I'm not sure what to tell you. You might want to seek some professional help if you're unable to concede the single point that "instructing the players" is the same as "making a decision" on something. The coach decides
the play, the players have the option to change the call on the field if they so feel, but if they botch it they're going to hear about it and potentially end up benched for their decision.
I'm going to once again point out for a countless time: I did not say that Whipple made any decision about when the ball should be snapped. I just said that coaches have the ability to decide when on the play clock a ball should be snapped.