State of the Progam

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Re: State of the Progam

Post by minutefanjsf » Wed Dec 13, 2017 3:46 pm

Jack wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:21 am
Cahoonaville wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:49 am
Special teams/tight ends coach let go....How about o-line coach next?


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Yah - Brilliant suggestion - lets fire Coach Foley b/c he took a young OL and helped them to vastly improve during the course of the season. Any other genius ideas Cahoonaville? But seriously, I do get a laugh out of this board’s fixation w/firing coaches - not a smart way to develop a program but it is certainly entertaining. :D
I'm not all about firing coaches. I also agree that the line (especially after the starters) was young. I also know that we were second to last in sacks allowed 46 sacks on the year. (if you want confirmation go to Frank's blog) The OL got better as the season went on, and all of them are back next year. The five sacks allowed to Maine stick out to me. The OL let up 1 sack each to Miss State, BYU and FIU , I think. So, 38 Sacks in the first 8 games vs, 8 in the last four. I also know that the sacks are not always on the Oline- coverage sacks, missed assignments by RB, great individual plays, QB's holding the ball too long, etc. Ray IT was not playing against Maine, that could be the reason for the 5 sacks. I guess that his absence speaks to how thin or inexperienced our OL is? I don't know what was learned or taught during the two week bye, but it needs to continue. If the Oline had played the second half like the first, we would have been the worst OL in the country by a large margin.

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Re: State of the Progam

Post by minutefanjsf » Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:16 pm

minutefanjsf wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2017 3:46 pm
Jack wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:21 am
Cahoonaville wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:49 am
Special teams/tight ends coach let go....How about o-line coach next?


http://www.gazettenet.com/UMass-footbal ... h-14283983
Yah - Brilliant suggestion - lets fire Coach Foley b/c he took a young OL and helped them to vastly improve during the course of the season. Any other genius ideas Cahoonaville? But seriously, I do get a laugh out of this board’s fixation w/firing coaches - not a smart way to develop a program but it is certainly entertaining. :D
I'm not all about firing coaches. I also agree that the line (especially after the starters) was young. I also know that we were second to last in sacks allowed 46 sacks on the year. (if you want confirmation go to Frank's blog) The OL got better as the season went on, and all of them are back next year. The five sacks allowed to Maine stick out to me. The OL let up 1 sack each to Miss State, BYU and FIU , I think. So, 38 Sacks in the first 8 games vs, 8 in the last four. I also know that the sacks are not always on the Oline- coverage sacks, missed assignments by RB, great individual plays, QB's holding the ball too long, etc. Ray IT was not playing against Maine, that could be the reason for the 5 sacks. I guess that his absence speaks to how thin or inexperienced our OL is? I don't know what was learned or taught during the two week bye, but it needs to continue. If the Oline had played the second half like the first, we would have been the worst OL in the country by a large margin.
I will add that I was told by a former lineman that while visiting practices he was not impressed with the OLine training especially techniques. That being said the results were better at the end of season. Both pass blocking and the run game. I don't think he will be given a long leash by Whip, because the line will be veteran and they have shown what they can do at the end of this season. Regression with that unit won't be acceptable to Whip or Bamford, IMO.

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Re: State of the Progam

Post by Miami (Oh) Yeah ! » Fri Dec 15, 2017 11:45 am

The state of the program would be better if UMass joined the MAC full-sports and by the look of the latest RPI conference rankings it would help the basketball team too.

As of December 15th, 2017:

Rank Conference Avg. RPI Avg. SOS SOS Rank Teams
1 Southeastern 0.5986 0.5602 1 14
2 Big East 0.5872 0.5219 6 10
3 Big 12 0.5868 0.5286 3 10
4 Atlantic Coast 0.5806 0.5197 7 15
5 Big Ten 0.5610 0.5432 2 14
6 Pacific-12 0.5504 0.5275 4 12
7 American Athletic 0.5386 0.5033 14 12
8 Missouri Valley 0.5293 0.4959 17 10
9 Mountain West 0.5183 0.5065 11 11
10 Mid-American 0.5042 0.4719 27 12
11 Atlantic 10 0.5002 0.5250 5 14

12 Big West 0.4936 0.5040 13 9
13 Western Athletic 0.4925 0.5088 9 8
14 Colonial Athletic 0.4907 0.4828 22 10
15 West Coast 0.4905 0.4923 19 10
16 Conference USA 0.4902 0.5003 15 14

http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html

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Re: State of the Progam

Post by MJatUM » Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:14 pm

I assume that post is meant in jest.

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Re: State of the Progam

Post by rsox1221 » Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:21 pm

Miami (Oh) Yeah ! wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 11:45 am
The state of the program would be better if UMass joined the MAC full-sports and by the look of the latest RPI conference rankings it would help the basketball team too.

As of December 15th, 2017:

Rank Conference Avg. RPI Avg. SOS SOS Rank Teams
1 Southeastern 0.5986 0.5602 1 14
2 Big East 0.5872 0.5219 6 10
3 Big 12 0.5868 0.5286 3 10
4 Atlantic Coast 0.5806 0.5197 7 15
5 Big Ten 0.5610 0.5432 2 14
6 Pacific-12 0.5504 0.5275 4 12
7 American Athletic 0.5386 0.5033 14 12
8 Missouri Valley 0.5293 0.4959 17 10
9 Mountain West 0.5183 0.5065 11 11
10 Mid-American 0.5042 0.4719 27 12
11 Atlantic 10 0.5002 0.5250 5 14

12 Big West 0.4936 0.5040 13 9
13 Western Athletic 0.4925 0.5088 9 8
14 Colonial Athletic 0.4907 0.4828 22 10
15 West Coast 0.4905 0.4923 19 10
16 Conference USA 0.4902 0.5003 15 14

http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html
Not all about the RPI. I encourage folks to click that link, those numbers aren't formatted correctly obviously so it's difficult to see.

That next column, Avg SOS, the A10 is at .5250 while the MAC is at .4719. The A10 ranks 5th, ahead of the ACC and the Big East. The MAC ranks 27th out of 32 conferences. All that and the RPI difference isn't even large, .004 between the two conferences as of now, in a year where the A10 is perhaps historically low overall. Not to mention it's highly unlikely those Avg RPI numbers will look like that when it counts; it's only December.

UMass and the MAC as an all-sports affiliation, that's a negative.

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Re: State of the Progam

Post by Berkman » Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:39 pm

I agree.

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Re: State of the Progam

Post by InnervisionsUMASS » Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:17 pm

Assuming that post is not in jest, I can't believe there are still people here that think we'd be better off all sports in the MAC. :shock: :shock:
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Re: State of the Progam

Post by Old Cage » Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:49 pm

^ There aren't. He's one of THEM.
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Re: State of the Progam

Post by Miami (Oh) Yeah ! » Fri Dec 15, 2017 2:06 pm

Old Cage wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:49 pm
^ There aren't. He's one of THEM.
Ha!

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Re: State of the Progam

Post by InnervisionsUMASS » Fri Dec 15, 2017 2:13 pm

Old Cage wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:49 pm
^ There aren't. He's one of THEM.
I'm aware he is one of them, but he posts HERE. And I've spoken with a few UMass folks at football that wish we were in the MAC still. They are crazy.
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Re: State of the Progam

Post by Berkman » Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:57 pm

I would think that after we see who we get in the early signing period we will have some kind of idea on what kind of team we might have next year.

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Re: State of the Progam

Post by DrG » Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:27 pm

Miami Guy is trying to promote his conference so I can understand that, but I'm not aware of anybody else on this board who believes we should be all-in for the MAC. These early season RPI rankings can be very deceptive. The A10 may be in a bit of a down cycle right now but over time it will continue to be a significantly better basketball league than the MAC. No doubt the MAC is a pretty good G5 football league and it excels in a few other sports like soccer. But take football out of the equation and athletically, geographically and culturally, UMass belongs in the A10. Hopefully we'll soon resolve the football thing to our benefit.

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Re: State of the Progam

Post by Miami (Oh) Yeah ! » Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:14 pm

DrG wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:27 pm
Miami Guy is trying to promote his conference so I can understand that, but I'm not aware of anybody else on this board who believes we should be all-in for the MAC. These early season RPI rankings can be very deceptive. The A10 may be in a bit of a down cycle right now but over time it will continue to be a significantly better basketball league than the MAC. No doubt the MAC is a pretty good G5 football league and it excels in a few other sports like soccer. But take football out of the equation and athletically, geographically and culturally, UMass belongs in the A10. Hopefully we'll soon resolve the football thing to our benefit.
I'm mostly just stirring the pot a bit. Slow day when I ran across that and thought of this board.

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Re: State of the Progam

Post by Miami (Oh) Yeah ! » Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:14 pm

and the NCHC is better than Hockey East... :D

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Re: State of the Progam

Post by DrG » Fri Dec 15, 2017 11:10 pm

MOY, you're not a troll, but I'll take the A10 and Hockey East over the long term. Always good to hear from you. :)

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