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Post by McKinney » Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:12 pm

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I’ll repeat myself again. Give me 6 teams! Biggest nobrainer in the history of earth. 8 is too many.
Why is 8 too many? NFL is 12. FCS is up to 24. DII is at 28. DIII is at 32.
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Post by stevemaz » Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:07 pm

8 or 12 are the choices.

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Post by minutefanjsf » Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:42 pm

stevemaz wrote:
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8 or 12 are the choices.
I would love 16. But, that is probably too many. Going to 12 allows for a wildcard still with some teams getting a bye, but 16 teams, four weeks, four games was awesome in FCS.

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Post by DrG » Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:15 pm

College football is very different from basketball. They'll never go to more than 8. There's hardly any chance that any team outside of the top 8 will ever have any impact. That said, I believe the top G5 team belongs in an 8-team playoff.

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Re: FBS Playoff

Post by McKinney » Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:32 pm

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Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:15 pm
College football is very different from basketball. They'll never go to more than 8. There's hardly any chance that any team outside of the top 8 will ever have any impact. That said, I believe the top G5 team belongs in an 8-team playoff.
I've said my bid plan here in this thread so I won't go too far into it. But why make the distinction between P5 and G5 for a playoff? Shouldn't a tournament be blind to conference bias?

If your conference has a member in the Top 25 I don't see why that conference shouldn't be represented. I'd go further to say all conferences should be represented, but on some level if you're not ranked you shouldn't be playing in a tournament.

Also FBS is the ONLY level of football (lower or higher) with less than 12 teams in the playoffs.
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Re: FBS Playoff

Post by DrG » Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:01 pm

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Also FBS is the ONLY level of football (lower or higher) with less than 12 teams in the playoffs.
The bowls still have some influence, if not as much as before the CFP.
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Re: FBS Playoff

Post by minutefanjsf » Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:02 pm

DrG wrote:
Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:15 pm
College football is very different from basketball. They'll never go to more than 8. There's hardly any chance that any team outside of the top 8 will ever have any impact. That said, I believe the top G5 team belongs in an 8-team playoff.
Disagree about the number of teams that could have an impact. Mississippi state brought Alabama to the brink this year. That was a great game. There definitely is a large disparity among the p5 and G5 conferences. Just looking at the team's outside of the top 8 but in top 16 seems like a good playoff with 16 teams could be had. It definitely is different than baskeball. Basketball has almost 20 percent of the teams make the playoffs, then another 10 percent get to the NIT. If football mirrored those numbers there would be a 24 to 28 team playoff.

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Re: FBS Playoff

Post by McKinney » Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:49 pm

DrG wrote:
Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:01 pm
McKinney wrote:
Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:32 pm
Also FBS is the ONLY level of football (lower or higher) with less than 12 teams in the playoffs.
The bowls still have some influence, if not as much as before the CFP.
I think the bowls will eventually just be a consolation prize. If you don't make the playoff (or you make the playoff but lose the first round), then you go to a bowl. Other than the NY6 or really classic bowls, which I think will be incorporated as best as possible into the playoff.
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Re: FBS Playoff

Post by Quann » Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:04 am

The beauty of FBS college football is that the entire regular season is a 3 month playoff for the top 20 teams. Going to 8 teams definitely takes away from that. That's why I think 6 is perfect. Top two teams get a first round bye but you are only including 2 more teams. Would have been Ohio State and Wisconsin this year which would have been fine. Nobody outside the top 6 deserved to be in.

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Post by MJatUM » Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:13 am

With attendance numbers down year after year I think the conference commissioners are very wary of putting less emphasis on the regular season games. Going to a 12 team playoff means several teams are almost guaranteed a bowl bid every year. I think 6 or 8 (max) is the number to keep things interesting during the regular season. I'd prefer 6 to 8 just to keep something to shoot for in getting a bye. 12 I guess could work but again now who are we letting in?

USC, OSU and UCF probably belong in there so if it was 6 now we're bitching about UCF not getting in. If it was more than 4 I would bet you dollars to donuts OSU would be the 4 seed and Bama the 5 seed.

Do we really think Penn St (current #9) and Washington (current #11) deserve a shot at the national championship? I think 8 max would be perfect and I would have bumped out Auburn (current #7 at 10-3) for UCF (current #12 - undefeated). Funny enough those 2 are playing in the Peach Bowl on NYD.

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Post by natwam2547 » Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:22 am

^ Every year is different but the problem with 6 is that the difference between #2 Oklahoma and #3 Georgia this year is so so small. How in the world could you decide that Oklahoma is THAT much more deserving than Georgia to get that bye? Wouldn't be fair to Georgia (or whoever finished 3rd) to have to play Wisconsin or USC or whoever finished 6th while Oklahoma was at home.

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Re: FBS Playoff

Post by Quann » Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:29 am

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^ Every year is different but the problem with 6 is that the difference between #2 Oklahoma and #3 Georgia this year is so so small. How in the world could you decide that Oklahoma is THAT much more deserving than Georgia to get that bye? Wouldn't be fair to Georgia (or whoever finished 3rd) to have to play Wisconsin or USC or whoever finished 6th while Oklahoma was at home.
You can say the same thing about Alabama getting the 4 seed and Ohio State missing out. Mjatum nailed it with his post.

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Post by Quann » Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:32 am

And 6 is the max teams I want to see in a playoff. I'd rather keep it at 4 than expand to 8. A 7 or 8 seed have no business at a national title shot. In the 8 team scenario, the top 4 seeds have to play the same amount of games to win a national title as the bottom 4 seeds, that's just not right.

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Re: FBS Playoff

Post by MJatUM » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:19 am

natwam2547 wrote:
Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:22 am
^ Every year is different but the problem with 6 is that the difference between #2 Oklahoma and #3 Georgia this year is so so small. How in the world could you decide that Oklahoma is THAT much more deserving than Georgia to get that bye? Wouldn't be fair to Georgia (or whoever finished 3rd) to have to play Wisconsin or USC or whoever finished 6th while Oklahoma was at home.
Another problem with 6 is how do you justify letting in Wisconsin who lost their conference title game for USC who won theirs... There is always going to be somebody bitching about how they got left out. I still think 6 is the best number and it rewards the total picture of the season. Another way to alleviate that would be to do 8 but the first round games are home games for seeds 1-4. Then of course we'd be bitching that Alabama gets a home game vs OSU - but again I truly think if more teams made the playoffs then the committee would have had OSU at 4th and Bama at 5th. I also wonder if the playoff was at 8 teams if the committee would have put UCF in. So in my perfect playoff scenario the first round Matchups would be:

UCF (should be 8 ) @ Clemson (1)
USC (would be 7) @ Oklahoma (2)
Wisconsin (6) @ UGA (3)
Bama (would be 5) @ OSU (should be 4)

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Re: FBS Playoff

Post by natwam2547 » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:38 am

MJatUM wrote:
Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:19 am
natwam2547 wrote:
Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:22 am
^ Every year is different but the problem with 6 is that the difference between #2 Oklahoma and #3 Georgia this year is so so small. How in the world could you decide that Oklahoma is THAT much more deserving than Georgia to get that bye? Wouldn't be fair to Georgia (or whoever finished 3rd) to have to play Wisconsin or USC or whoever finished 6th while Oklahoma was at home.
Another problem with 6 is how do you justify letting in Wisconsin who lost their conference title game for USC who won theirs... There is always going to be somebody bitching about how they got left out. I still think 6 is the best number and it rewards the total picture of the season. Another way to alleviate that would be to do 8 but the first round games are home games for seeds 1-4. Then of course we'd be bitching that Alabama gets a home game vs OSU - but again I truly think if more teams made the playoffs then the committee would have had OSU at 4th and Bama at 5th. I also wonder if the playoff was at 8 teams if the committee would have put UCF in. So in my perfect playoff scenario the first round Matchups would be:

UCF (should be 8 ) @ Clemson (1)
USC (would be 7) @ Oklahoma (2)
Wisconsin (6) @ UGA (3)
Bama (would be 5) @ OSU (should be 4)
I think this is exactly what would happen. I just don't see them bending over backwards to get it to 8 any time soon. The current contract runs through 2024 and they'll probably just wait and adjust accordingly then.

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