Word!Plano Minuteman wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 1:07 pm I'm more concerned about the transfer portal this spring than any coaching goings on in 2025-26.
Coach in 2025-26?
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I think he sticks around a while. He's not a young guy anymore, and I think he and his family may like the area since his wife has ties. As long as the program doesn't reduce his budget and salary, he may feel comfortable enough to stay long term. He doesn't need to move around anymore. And just the recent uptick in fan attendance shows the crowds will come back if the team is playing well. I could see him retiring hereInnervisionsUMASS wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 9:18 am Frank is leaving for more money, retirement, or because he gets fired. The first two would have ZERO to do with the MAC move... they'd happen whether we moved to the MAC, the Big10 or stayed in the A10. The only one related to the conference move would be him getting fired.... if he struggled in the MAC, he'd deserve to be canned. And we all know that isn't likely to happen.
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How much does Frank get now, 1.8 mill?
Whatever it is, I think it's 2 or 3 times that of the Akron dude.
Whatever it is, I think it's 2 or 3 times that of the Akron dude.
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This school is not going to pay anyone 3X the amount of the next highest coach in the conference for long. This is Western Massachusetts. People at the top will rightfully assume a winning MAC program can be had for 1/2 the price of what they pay Frank and the parties will move on to their next opportunities. I think Frank would love to be paid a couple million a year to coach in the MAC at this point in his career. But, it just doesn't make sense.
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Frank will retire here
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The budget will stay the same as long as they keep winning. I think they learned from past choicesMike0473 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2024 3:42 pm This school is not going to pay anyone 3X the amount of the next highest coach in the conference for long. This is Western Massachusetts. People at the top will rightfully assume a winning MAC program can be had for 1/2 the price of what they pay Frank and the parties will move on to their next opportunities. I think Frank would love to be paid a couple million a year to coach in the MAC at this point in his career. But, it just doesn't make sense.
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Agreed. I think the move is a signal that we are taking athletics as a whole much more seriously from this point forward. Because, if we aren't, there is no point in making the move.Floyd wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2024 4:57 pmThe budget will stay the same as long as they keep winning. I think they learned from past choicesMike0473 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2024 3:42 pm This school is not going to pay anyone 3X the amount of the next highest coach in the conference for long. This is Western Massachusetts. People at the top will rightfully assume a winning MAC program can be had for 1/2 the price of what they pay Frank and the parties will move on to their next opportunities. I think Frank would love to be paid a couple million a year to coach in the MAC at this point in his career. But, it just doesn't make sense.
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Why would they pay a coach what Frank is making when being competitive in the MAC can be achieved for a fraction of the cost?Floyd wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2024 4:57 pmThe budget will stay the same as long as they keep winning. I think they learned from past choicesMike0473 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2024 3:42 pm This school is not going to pay anyone 3X the amount of the next highest coach in the conference for long. This is Western Massachusetts. People at the top will rightfully assume a winning MAC program can be had for 1/2 the price of what they pay Frank and the parties will move on to their next opportunities. I think Frank would love to be paid a couple million a year to coach in the MAC at this point in his career. But, it just doesn't make sense.
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I don't think they want to be "competitive" in a lower hoop conference, this was about football I believe. The hoop facilities, staff is good, and talent is trending upward. Hopefully football improves and hoop keeps improving and possibly down the road there's even a better opportunity. Don't want to downgrade the staff, finally got a good one
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It doesn't work like that, they can't just go with the minimum offering possible to a head coach and hope to be competitive, and I think they know that.
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Minimum? They could double the salary of the highest paid coach in the MAC and still be well under what they pay Frank. I think it is fair to critisize spending almost 2 million per year on a MAC basketball head coach position. To be fair, I hope they do so. But, from a political perspective, it seems crazy.DEM wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2024 6:22 pmIt doesn't work like that, they can't just go with the minimum offering possible to a head coach and hope to be competitive, and I think they know that.
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What if he builds the program back to a level where they make the tourney regularly, games sellout, donations increase, and revenues cover most of that? UMass exposure, name recognition increases everything.
I don't think you go backwards. If he leaves or gets fired for poor performance, then I guess you can consider that, but you get what you pay for
I don't think you go backwards. If he leaves or gets fired for poor performance, then I guess you can consider that, but you get what you pay for
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Frank Martin is signed through the 2027 season which is two years after they start in the MAC. So unless he leaves on his own or there is some odd 'out' clause the university has which is unlikely they have to pay him his full contact. And also, Martin's contact most definitely has incentives for number of wins, conference championships, tournament appearances and tourney win etc,which in theory would be easier to attain in the MAC so on his end he stands to make more money.
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First, I think this thread is ridiculous. There are no rumors about him leaving, he's said publicly that he was hired by UMass, not by the A10, and he talks about loyalty more than anyone I've ever heard. Yeah yeah, I know they're just words, but there's no indication that he's leaving at this point.
Close thing thing down.
Second, I agree here with Floyd, and think that Ryan Bamford has learned a lot of hard lessons along the way as AD at UMass. Those lessons were Walt Bell and Matt McCall. You get what you pay for, and he knows that now. Frank obviously makes more than MAC coaches, but even if he does leave (I think it will be retirement the way he talks about his frustrations with NIL and the transfer portal), I think Ryan has learned that this whole thing starts with the coach, and you have to pony up to get a good one.