Game 23, 2018-19: Fordham (2/6)

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Re: Game 23, 2018-19: Fordham (2/6)

Post by PreecherJenkins » Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:21 am

^
Who are the players that are acting like spoiled brats?

You can eliminate the following:
- Pip
- Unique
- Sy Chatman (he at least plays hard)

The rest all are possibilities to the ones being discussed but all of them except Holloway have something in common, Matt McDiaster brought them ALL in. It seems like oh you played at Memphis, Rutgers, you scored 40 plus points at Fairfield, WELCOME TO UMASS!!!! Does not seem he completed any due diligence with these kids? They can go practice at the horseshoe today for all I care, it will not change the mind set until they start to love to win.
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Re: Game 23, 2018-19: Fordham (2/6)

Post by LS71 » Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:16 am

78 wrote: Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:33 pm ^^^^

Complete lie. I know someone that was at the game. Said there were 1,000 or fewer there. Smallest crowd I can ever remember.
I was there. The crowd was indeed small.

That said, it could be that the number is tickets sold vs. actual attendees. Team performance aside, the predicted weather was freezing rain. It didn’t happen in the valley but there was ice in the hill towns.
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Re: Game 23, 2018-19: Fordham (2/6)

Post by vanmeter » Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:02 am

I was there and left at halftime.

I do not fault the players. I believe they are doing there best. It is simply a case of very poor coaching.

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Re: Game 23, 2018-19: Fordham (2/6)

Post by LS71 » Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:12 am

^ I call bullshit on that one.

By not requiring the players to take responsibility for their poor play you’re helping to perpetuate a culture of enablement.

I’m not to blame...it’s my coach.

It’s a shared responsibility, no doubt. The players need to execute on floor and the coach needs to hold them accountable.
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Re: Game 23, 2018-19: Fordham (2/6)

Post by eldonabe » Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:28 am

LS71 wrote: Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:12 am ^ I call bullshit on that one.

By not requiring the players to take responsibility for their poor play you’re helping to perpetuate a culture of enablement.

I’m not to blame...it’s my coach.

It’s a shared responsibility, no doubt. The players need to execute on floor and the coach needs to hold them accountable.
Yup

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Post by InnervisionsUMASS » Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:32 am

Also agreed. The problem here is on both the coaching and the players and their effort.

I disagree with Holloway being included within the spoiled brat group.
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Re: Game 23, 2018-19: Fordham (2/6)

Post by natwam2547 » Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:51 am

It's clear that McCall just needed to get bodies in here after the mass exodus after he was hired. He probably sacrificed some of his beliefs just to get bodies/talent here to start. Things obviously haven't worked out, but I don't think that the transfers should be an indication of the guys he wants to be on this team. If Chatman, Diallo, Wood and the 3 coming in next year turn out to be the wrong type of players, then sure McCall clearly is recruiting the wrong guys. This year has been a disaster and some of that blame falls on the HC, but I really don't think he should be judged until he's playing with all of his guys. There is a 0 percent chance he's not our head coach next year unless he just resigns.

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Re: Game 23, 2018-19: Fordham (2/6)

Post by fenway617 » Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:13 am

PreecherJenkins wrote: Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:30 pm 2072, that has to be the lowest crowd not in a blizzard.
Def not. two games this year had less. Arkansas PB and Howard.

Lowell 2976
UNH 2563
Harv 2645
Howard 2048
Arkan-PB 2034
Quinip 2478
HolyCross 2257
Fairl-Dicker 2276
LaS 4154
GM 2412
StB 2551
URI 4145
Ford 2072
TOTAL so far through 13 games: 34611 (last year through 13 games: 37740)

As far as an A10 game, lowest I can find since 2011 is a game last year vs LaSalle which had 2056 but I don't know what the weather was like that day.
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Re: Game 23, 2018-19: Fordham (2/6)

Post by LS71 » Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:39 am

InnervisionsUMASS wrote: Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:32 amI disagree with Holloway being included within the spoiled brat group.
I wouldn’t either, but at the same time both he and UMass would have benefited by his taking conditioning seriously.

I have no knowledge of his personal situation but I gotta believe he could have gotten himself in better shape...and again with the shared responsibility thing, the coaches he’s played for at UMass should be holding him accountable on that issue.
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Re: Game 23, 2018-19: Fordham (2/6)

Post by 69MG » Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:07 am

A few more thoughts.

MM got out-coached by Neubauer as badly as McVay got out-coached by Belichick. Fordham ran sets that we couldn't defend and their man-to-man D surprised MM (his own words).

We are in trouble at the center position next year unless Thomas is ready to take over that spot. I had high hopes for Baptiste but we are now seeing that his numbers at Vanderbilt were a pretty good indication of who he is. He's slow to the ball on rebounds and his hands are average at best.

Congrats to Unique on a great effort; 10 points, 6 boards and 6 assists. 6/6 from the line blows my mind. He was at 61% prior to this year. He 's 12/14 this year so it's obvious he's been working on his free throws.

MM must be having an issue with Laurent for him to only get 7 minutes last night.

There's a lot more, but I want to put this game behind me.

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Re: Game 23, 2018-19: Fordham (2/6)

Post by Jackson96 » Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:23 am

I can live with missed shots. It's the turnovers and complete lack of defense that drive me insane. The defense had been better (although I don't think it's ever been great) for a lot of A-10 play but last night it was the worst I've seen it all year, especially in that first half. Turnovers have been an issue more often than not and it was a huge factor in the first half last night.
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Re: Game 23, 2018-19: Fordham (2/6)

Post by TheOFFSeason » Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:39 am

Jackson96 wrote: Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:23 am I can live with missed shots. It's the turnovers and complete lack of defense that drive me insane. The defense had been better (although I don't think it's ever been great) for a lot of A-10 play but last night it was the worst I've seen it all year, especially in that first half. Turnovers have been an issue more often than not and it was a huge factor in the first half last night.

I get to every game early and sit down by the other teams hoop when they are warming up and I usually watch only them, but last night I made it a point to watch the drills that the UMass were doing. The big men were either posting up or flashing across for a post up and everyone of them was using improper footwork, except for Baptiste who I’m guessing wasn’t allowed to get away with that for Bryce Drew, No one was corrected or shown the proper technique.
I am going to spare all of you a long rant and just say in this game if you skip fundamentals you will not win games.


Also, I heard a long time season ticket holder stopped in at the shoot around after the luncheon and was asked to leave...this is new, are they reading this board and getting paranoid??

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Re: Game 23, 2018-19: Fordham (2/6)

Post by eldonabe » Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:56 am

Last night I saw a lot of very "slow" play.

It just seems like they never took a shot without a slight hesitation or an extra dribble. It was weird. There was one play in the first half where Holloway caught the ball 3 feet from the basket and he was wiiiiddddeeee open, but it took him so long to turn to the basket and get his shot off he actually had it blocked (or altered).

Lots of "catch and shoot" were catch, hitch, and shoot. That fraction of a second to hitch was all Fordham needed to contest our shots. Meanwhile Fordham was just firing up shots almost unconsciously....

It was really weird how obviously different each team looked taking most of their shots.

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Re: Game 23, 2018-19: Fordham (2/6)

Post by vanmeter » Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:42 pm

Now that Off Season has mentioned it,a friend of mine, who never posts,and is nothing but a supporter of this team and UMass sports was thrown out of a shoot around by McCall and Bamford. Unlike me he never criticizes and, as an avid high school sports fan, offers names of players he see that he thinks may help. Very sad that McCall and Bamford actually read this site and, then, chastise the wrong guy

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Re: Game 23, 2018-19: Fordham (2/6)

Post by InnervisionsUMASS » Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:51 pm

vanmeter wrote: Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:42 pm Now that Off Season has mentioned it,a friend of mine, who never posts,and is nothing but a supporter of this team and UMass sports was thrown out of a shoot around by McCall and Bamford. Unlike me he never criticizes and, as an avid high school sports fan, offers names of players he see that he thinks may help. Very sad that McCall and Bamford actually read this site and, then, chastise the wrong guy
So is this the same person that OffSeason mentioned, or has this happened twice?
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