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Post by NilesGold » Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:38 pm

Smith is definitely a better shooter than Riley. Smith definitely takes more spot up threes than anything, but he does also make some 1-dribble pull ups. If Riley wasn't open on the catch & shoot, he wasn't making his shot 9 out of 10 times. What's telling is that Smith was able to average 3 3's a game. Teams knew he was going to take 3's, but they still couldn't stop him. With Freddie, he would sometimes get hot and bury several contested 3's in a row, but typically if the other team bothered to guard him they would shut him down.

It's darn near impossible to get an accurate read on Smith's defensive ability from highlight clips.

Even if all Smith can provide is a lights-out 3pt shooter coming off the bench and mediocre defense, I think that would be a huge help for the team.

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Post by NilesGold » Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:39 pm

uz2b-len wrote:Do think that UMass would admit as a senior a guy with two years at a juco and one year at FIU? Maybe yes, maybe not.
Exactly. Sounds like the boy and girl are ready to hook up but the parents could be in the way.[/quote]
On what grounds would they not admit him? Does he have to be on track to graduate in 4 years or something before he can be admitted?

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Post by NilesGold » Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:42 pm

Blutrane93 wrote:I'd rather get a talented freshman like Demetrius Dyson, but Smith will do for a much needed depth guy that can provide scoring next year.
I'm intrigued by Dyson as well, but let's keep in mind that he isn't exactly a super sought after player and he'd only be a freshman next year. Maybe down the road Dyson will be very good, but next year I'd take Martin over Dyson every time.

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Post by Blutrane93 » Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:50 pm

NilesGold wrote:Smith is definitely a better shooter than Riley.
Not sure what that's being based on.

Both players had reputations as great perimeter shooters out of high school.

Smith shot a hair over 4 out of 12 from the field in his Junior year of college against Sun Belt competition.

Freddie shot a hair over 3 out of 8 from the field his Senior year against Atlantic 10 competition.

If you choose to look at the glass half full, more power to you, but the stats don't support it. To your point about taking a veteran player over a freshman for next year in order to support a huge year for the program in trying to reach the NCAA's, I guess I'd side with you on that point after thinking about it a little more.

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Post by iwearglovesndhat » Fri Apr 26, 2013 1:54 am

Would be a good get. Solid 6 or 7 man most likely

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Post by NilesGold » Fri Apr 26, 2013 6:35 am

Blutrane93 wrote:
NilesGold wrote:Smith is definitely a better shooter than Riley.
Not sure what that's being based on.
I take it back, I'm 95% certain that Smith is a better shooter than Riley. Seeing that Smith was just about tied for the scoring lead on his team, made 3 three's a game and shot 36% tells me all by itself that he's a good shooter (for reasons I stated previously). Compare that to Riley, who only shot above 35% in three's during his senior year (37%) and only made 2.1 a game in that year. Riley also benefited from playing in the UMass system (uptempo) alongside Chaz (defenses always put all their effort and best defenders into stopping Chaz).

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Post by Blutrane93 » Fri Apr 26, 2013 8:26 am

^Antoine Walker led his team in scoring many times in his career. He was also a lousy shooter. Just because you take a lot of shots for a crappy team doesn't make you a better shooter than someone with the same shooting percentages as you who takes less shots for a better team. I'm talking about efficiency, not volume. And that's all. You and IV are having trouble with this concept. I've already acknowledged the difference is at the free throw line. Riley was an exceptionally bad free throw shooter, and geared his offensive game around not ending up at the charity stripe. Just because Smith makes and takes more free throws doesn't make him a more efficient shooter than Riley from the field. But if you're 95% certain he's a better shooter from the field, you're 95% certain.

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Post by InnervisionsUMASS » Fri Apr 26, 2013 8:34 am

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I'm not having trouble with any concepts, thank you.
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Post by TheInsider » Fri Apr 26, 2013 8:40 am

Smith will work if we have no other options. He could provide some depth and a possible spark off the bench. I would be concerned about his D and being a Sr, he doesn't have time to get better. Problem is, he's a one year fix. After this year we still will only have 3 guards that aren't great shooters ( right now). Hopefully we can pick up Dyson. That will help us long term. For short stretches we've seen DK run a 3 guard. Every time we were able to do it we looked so much better. We should be looking at VCU and getting as many guards as possible.

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Post by Jackson96 » Fri Apr 26, 2013 8:48 am

Freddie Riley was a maddening offensive player, but I am not quite sure how people can be so sure this guy is a better shooter than anyone. Yes he shot 36% from the floor from three, but he shot 36% from the floor overall and if you look at his game logs there were plenty of bad shooting nights mixed in with his good shooting nights. Sure he seems decent at getting to the line and converting once there, but overall he kinda sounds like Freddie Riley to me.

Maybe this guy will be more consistent if he comes here and gets better looks. I have no idea how his looks were at FIU. All I know is he is a kid who went to two jucos and then FIU and now wants to come to UMass apparently. Doesn't exactly give me the warm and fuzzies.

Sure we could use a shooter, but I have no idea if this kid is the answer -- I don't really think anyone does and if you say he is then you watch a lot more FIU basketball than anyone I know. If he does come here, I hope he finds some consistency (would prefer 5 2-for-5's vs. 2 5-for-9's and 3 1-for-7's).

I guess we'll find out if his credits work out and this is where he ends up.

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Post by NilesGold » Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:53 am

Blutrane93 wrote:You and IV are having trouble with this concept.
Not sure why you would think that. I wasn't addressing your comments about efficiency, I merely stated that I think Smith is a better shooter than Riley. Let me put this into more practical terms... if put in a situation where I could choose between Smith taking an open three, or Riley taking an open three, I would choose Smith.

If you want to talk about efficiency, we can do that too. Riley became a respectably disciplined shooter his senior year, which is one of the reasons I believe he was able to shoot 37% in 3's when he hadn't reached 35% previously. Whether by design, or lack of self-control, Smith likely took more difficult 3's, but still shot 36%. Assuming no injuries, Smith isn't going to be asked to shoulder a heavy offensive burden. He'll come off the bench or in 3-guard sets and be asked to take open 3's. He'll have the benefit of Chaz and Gordon driving the lane drawing defenders, Lalanne down low hopefully drawing double-teams and an up-tempo style which provides opportunities for open 3's.

To continue the discussion of efficiency, Riley's FT shooting was a disgrace. When done correctly, FT's are the most efficient way to score and it's actually pretty impressive that a SG 3pt specialist (Smith) was able to average 2.7 made FT's a game, more than Rotnei Clarke and three times as many as Riley and Troy Daniels combined.

How did you feel about Riley's 1.5 rebounds a game and below-average ball-handling? Smith averaged 2.7 rebounds a game (which is at least respectable for a SG 3pt specialist) and I have a hard time believing Smith could be any more uncomfortable with the ball in his hands than Riley was.

One thing that Riley might have over Smith is defense. Riley became a solid defender his senior year. I can't say what Smith's defense is like, but fortunately he isn't going to be asked to lock-down the opposing team's best defender for more than brief periods at a time.

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Post by uz2b-len » Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:58 am

TheInsider wrote:Hopefully we can pick up Dyson. That will help us long term. For short stretches we've seen DK run a 3 guard. Every time we were able to do it we looked so much better. We should be looking at VCU and getting as many guards as possible.
I don't believe there's a scholarship for Dyson if we pick up Smith in addition to Hinds. I'm guessing Kellogg's desire to get Smith on the team is based on seeing the coming year the way that a lot of fans do--a make or break year, time to establish some credibility. Depth on the perimeter will be really important, and that's what Smith should be able to provide.
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Post by NilesGold » Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:05 am

Jackson96 wrote:All I know is he is a kid who went to two jucos and then FIU and now wants to come to UMass apparently. Doesn't exactly give me the warm and fuzzies.
I can't speak to the two different JUCO's, but FIU just lost it's head coach and the school is going to be under sanctions, not that it had a good chance at making the NCAA tourney anyway. Smith is from Boston and I believe he has a child. My guess is that coming back to MA and being closer to family is a big part of why he might come here.

In an ideal situation we wouldn't be going the 1-yr player route. I much prefer getting guys out of high school and watching them as they progress through their 4 years. Unfortunately it seems as though JF is leaving and the new NCAA rule allowing graduated players like him to transfer without sitting a year has changed the landscape. We're in the position that a 1-yr player next year is really the absolute best fit for the program. We need someone that can contribute next year, but what freshman could we have gotten that would provide both that AND be ok playing behind Gordon and Chaz/Hinds for 3 years? The answer is likely none.

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Post by Chizzle » Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:20 am

Lock this guy up and get a stud 2014 SG to replace him after we make the NCAA tourney and make a SPLASH!!!!.... Thanks and have a nice day.
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Post by uz2b-len » Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:08 am

That would be my plan. I'm trying to figure out what's the angle on the transfer credits. I mean, he doesn't need to be able to transfer all his credits in order to be eligible, right? I wonder if it's an eligibility question or that he wants to be able to graduate. (That won't happen anywhere but FIU, I imagine, unless he puts in a fifth year at school.)
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